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Post by Admiral Lithp on Dec 1, 2011 23:21:14 GMT -5
I usually hate puzzle games, but Portal is pretty awesome, particularly the 2nd.
The simplest explanation is in the Bible itself: "Judge not lest you be judged in turn." Or something like that. Basically, once you've judged the couple is unethical & unworthy of your product, you're just asking for people to judge you unethical & unworthy of their business. It makes no difference how they got you to that point, except maybe to make the payback all the sweeter. Also, realistically, the shop owner probably didn't give a shit who else was in the shop, overhearing all of this.
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Post by A Reasonable Rat on Dec 2, 2011 12:56:17 GMT -5
I don't totally agree with that. A person who is bigoted and ignorant because they were raised in a home that indoctrinated them with false beliefs should be corrected if possible, but they're basically brainwashed, and they think they're doing right. I don't know if it's right to punish them like that for something that wasn't their choice. Correct them, yes, but payback - revenge - isn't a noble way to deal with them.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 2, 2011 15:27:47 GMT -5
All adults are responsible for their own actions unless being actively coerced.
You can only blame your childhood so much.
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Post by wurdulac on Dec 2, 2011 17:39:53 GMT -5
All adults are responsible for their own actions unless being actively coerced. You can only blame your childhood so much. Ah yes, I remember the day I became an adult well. The night before I was nervous about entering my cocoon, uncertain what I would be like when I emerged; I shouldn't have been, as once I burst forth as a fully formed adult, all of my childhood prejudices and beliefs had simply vanished, leaving me a completely blank slate to acquire entirely new values and beliefs. No, wait, nevermind, people don't actually do that, and instead continue to hold most of the same beliefs, values, and prejudices they held as children. Well, shit.
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Post by Yaezakura on Dec 2, 2011 17:51:48 GMT -5
All adults are responsible for their own actions unless being actively coerced. You can only blame your childhood so much. Ah yes, I remember the day I became an adult well. The night before I was nervous about entering my cocoon, uncertain what I would be like when I emerged; I shouldn't have been, as once I burst forth as a fully formed adult, all of my childhood prejudices and beliefs had simply vanished, leaving me a completely blank slate to acquire entirely new values and beliefs. No, wait, nevermind, people don't actually do that, and instead continue to hold most of the same beliefs, values, and prejudices they held as children. Well, shit. That doesn't change that fact that at some point, people have to be held responsible for their own actions. The past has an influence on you, but it doesn't prevent you from continuing to grow as a person. Unfortunately, for some people, that means being confronted with the consequences of their actions, because no amount of words will convince them they're wrong. But a hit to the bank account catches just about everyone's attention and forces them to examine things. So I fully support "punishing" this business. Just as the owner is free to discriminate against homosexual couples, the people are free to choose a shop with an owner who isn't an idiot.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 2, 2011 18:13:46 GMT -5
All adults are responsible for their own actions unless being actively coerced. You can only blame your childhood so much. Ah yes, I remember the day I became an adult well. The night before I was nervous about entering my cocoon, uncertain what I would be like when I emerged; I shouldn't have been, as once I burst forth as a fully formed adult, all of my childhood prejudices and beliefs had simply vanished, leaving me a completely blank slate to acquire entirely new values and beliefs. No, wait, nevermind, people don't actually do that, and instead continue to hold most of the same beliefs, values, and prejudices they held as children. Well, shit. You are still responsible for your actions.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 2, 2011 18:15:54 GMT -5
Unless you have a disorder that causes it to be difficult to know right from wrong.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Dec 2, 2011 18:27:40 GMT -5
Pretty sure this woman's personal sense of religion isn't a mental disorder, it just emulates one.
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Post by Deimos on Dec 2, 2011 18:31:41 GMT -5
I'm not too bothered by this. Isnt it her right to refuse service. Plus she was polite about it and told them about several other stores that could do the cake
Of course its stupid to let your business not make money out of a principle though :/
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 2, 2011 18:41:39 GMT -5
Pretty sure this woman's personal sense of religion isn't a mental disorder, it just emulates one. OH. No, I'm not saying that's the case for this story. Just in general.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Dec 2, 2011 18:45:33 GMT -5
I say it is. Also, like Zachski said, you're responsible for your own actions. It's not like they pulled a gun on her, they just kicked the pedestal she put herself on & watched her fall.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Dec 2, 2011 18:50:39 GMT -5
Pretty sure this woman's personal sense of religion isn't a mental disorder, it just emulates one. OH. No, I'm not saying that's the case for this story. Just in general. Well yeah. Deimos: What if it were someone who refused to make a cake for the KKK? Lesbians aren't like the KKK, but if she thinks they are (one would hope she would think that way if she's so willing to give up that money, and certain news stations aren't shy about calling queers the Pink Gestapo) then I don't know that ignoring one's principles is always viable. She's still a dumbassed, bigoted fuckhead who's more likely to AGREE with the KKK, I'm just saying.
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Post by canadian mojo on Dec 2, 2011 21:38:00 GMT -5
Deimos: What if it were someone who refused to make a cake for the KKK? Then the KKK can call the local media outlets and complain about their mistreatment. I do actually get your pint, but being gay and being a member of a hate group are to very different things, particularly in Canada where one is protected and one is not.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Dec 2, 2011 22:04:50 GMT -5
Deimos: What if it were someone who refused to make a cake for the KKK? Then the KKK can call the local media outlets and complain about their mistreatment. I do actually get your pint, but being gay and being a member of a hate group are to very different things, particularly in Canada where one is protected and one is not. This isn't Canada, though. It's MURKA! Also, again, to these fuckheads, gays ARE practically a hate group. They hate heteros. Obviously, or else they'd be straight.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Dec 2, 2011 23:20:19 GMT -5
Kinda like how I hate God. And God is straight. Therefore, I must be gay. Therefore, I am a pedophile. I read Harry Potter at one point. Therefore, Harry Potter is supported by pedophiles.
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