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Post by happycheeze on Jun 9, 2009 0:11:18 GMT -5
I've been wondering why there is so much anti-Catholic attitude among non-Catholic Christians.
What is the biggest gripe they have with Catholics? Is it the selling of indulgences back in the day?
Weren't the Catholics the first Christians? They chose which biblical books were canon and which were apocrypha. How come no one questioned the selection of books?
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Post by stormwarden on Jun 9, 2009 0:28:32 GMT -5
The attitude is mainly because a lot of the fundie sorts consider them a polytheistic group, due to their worship of Mary, the Patron Saints, amongst others. I think it is a massive misunderstanding in that regard.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Jun 9, 2009 0:45:27 GMT -5
-They pray to Saints and the Virgin Mary as well as God.
-They believe in doing good works to get into Heaven. See any Jack Chick tract for details.
-The Catholic Church is a hierarchical system with the Pope leading. Fanatical Protestants see the Pope as a substitute for God (for Catholics) or the anti-Christ.
-They need some organization to call the "Whore of Babylon" so who better than the Catholic Church.
Yes, I would classify Catholics as polytheistic. But I'd say the same thing about all of Christianity with the whole stupid "Three in One" God thingy.
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Post by lonelocust on Jun 9, 2009 2:26:14 GMT -5
Additionally, the dislike is a historic passdown. The Protestant movement was specifically a rejection of Catholicism, and as such the demonization of Catholicism was strong in its infancy and has continued to be passed down. This is evidenced in some of the severe hypocrisy with some of the complaints (e.g. Catholicism is polytheistic because they revere the saints, but Protestantism is not even though they also believe in angels and demons and the Trinity and Satan).
Some Protestant groups (see Primitive Baptists and some on the loopiest end of Southern Baptists) like to claim that they are not a Protestant group and have nothing to do with the Protestant movement. This is of course clearly historically inaccurate, and I believe demonstrates an unwillingness to realize that a lot of the problems with Catholicism are purely because they descend from Catholicism.
The Catholics, however, are not really the first Christians, though they are the oldest continuous Christian tradition. There were (probably) early Jewish Christians, some older Gnostic Christians, and most likely some completely lost traditions. The idea of Catholicism is completely meaningless before Constantine and largely meaningless before the first Council of Nicea, which specifically rejected the other contemporary Christian sects.
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Post by dasfuchs on Jun 9, 2009 3:12:39 GMT -5
The Catholics are also seen to be the root version of christianity through Europe...and all true fundies think Europe is a hellhole and a cesspool
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jun 9, 2009 3:45:42 GMT -5
I find it horribly amusing just how similar protestantism is compared to catholicism.
1. They both still have "popes" they look up to (Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Kirk Cameron, etc.)
2. They both require works (Catholics supposedly require works for salvation, while protestants say works as evidence of salvation, which makes it a requirement)
3. They both ignore history that doesn't favor them (Such as Catholics holding the original translation of the Bible on the protestant side, while the complete denial of the crusades on the Catholic side)
4. They both hold certain rituals to an extremely high priority (For protestants, it's baptism which, even though it's not required for salvation, has to be done EXACTLY right or else you're apparently a heathen. For Catholics it's... well, just about everything.)
I could probably keep going.
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Post by m52nickerson on Jun 9, 2009 6:51:44 GMT -5
Since when have Catholics denied the Crusades?
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Post by Maryland Bear on Jun 9, 2009 6:58:38 GMT -5
4. They both hold certain rituals to an extremely high priority (For protestants, it's baptism which, even though it's not required for salvation, has to be done EXACTLY right or else you're apparently a heathen. For Catholics it's... well, just about everything.) I've heard Southern Baptists argue that unless you received a full immersion baptism (as opposed to having water sprinkled on your head), you've not been baptised and are bound for Hell. Of course, as a much cooler Southern Baptist acquaintance of mine put it, the Southern Baptists practice three kinds of baptism: - They dunk you in the water
- They hold you in the water
- They hold you in the water until you see Jesus!
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Post by happycheeze on Jun 9, 2009 11:03:11 GMT -5
[quote author=lonelocust board=rp thread=1421 post=46526
The Catholics, however, are not really the first Christians, though they are the oldest continuous Christian tradition. There were (probably) early Jewish Christians, some older Gnostic Christians, and most likely some completely lost traditions. The idea of Catholicism is completely meaningless before Constantine and largely meaningless before the first Council of Nicea, which specifically rejected the other contemporary Christian sects.[/quote]
That makes sense. It wasn't until Constantine that Christianity grew in power. I guess explains why they (other denominations) still accept the chosen canoninical books. The attitude seems to come from bickering about the way the religion is practiced.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jun 9, 2009 13:59:41 GMT -5
Since when have Catholics denied the Crusades? Denied may have been the wrong word to use. It's more like they downplay it or something in order to dissolve the Church's role in the massacres. Of course, the more reasonable members don't do anything of the sort-- and it tends to be these same members that take everything the Pope says with some grains of salt. |
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Jun 9, 2009 14:03:02 GMT -5
4. They both hold certain rituals to an extremely high priority (For protestants, it's baptism which, even though it's not required for salvation, has to be done EXACTLY right or else you're apparently a heathen. For Catholics it's... well, just about everything.) I've heard Southern Baptists argue that unless you received a full immersion baptism (as opposed to having water sprinkled on your head), you've not been baptised and are bound for Hell. Of course, as a much cooler Southern Baptist acquaintance of mine put it, the Southern Baptists practice three kinds of baptism: - They dunk you in the water
- They hold you in the water
- They hold you in the water until you see Jesus!
Is that why so many religious support waterboarding? Because they see as a baptism by fire? |
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Post by antichrist on Jun 9, 2009 14:11:01 GMT -5
4. They both hold certain rituals to an extremely high priority (For protestants, it's baptism which, even though it's not required for salvation, has to be done EXACTLY right or else you're apparently a heathen. For Catholics it's... well, just about everything.) I've heard Southern Baptists argue that unless you received a full immersion baptism (as opposed to having water sprinkled on your head), you've not been baptised and are bound for Hell. Of course, as a much cooler Southern Baptist acquaintance of mine put it, the Southern Baptists practice three kinds of baptism: - They dunk you in the water
- They hold you in the water
- They hold you in the water until you see Jesus!
Why the hell not, I know of one church where you're locked in a closet until you speak in tongues before you can be baptized. Yes people go into the closet voluntarily. |
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Post by Old Viking on Jun 9, 2009 18:13:56 GMT -5
Tweedle-Dum, meet Tweedle-Dee.
And well said, lonelocust.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jun 9, 2009 18:18:24 GMT -5
-They pray to Saints and the Virgin Mary as well as God. -They believe in doing good works to get into Heaven. See any Jack Chick tract for details. -The Catholic Church is a hierarchical system with the Pope leading. Fanatical Protestants see the Pope as a substitute for God (for Catholics) or the anti-Christ. -They need some organization to call the "Whore of Babylon" so who better than the Catholic Church. Yes, I would classify Catholics as polytheistic. But I'd say the same thing about all of Christianity with the whole stupid "Three in One" God thingy. That's called a polymorphic monotheism. |
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Post by happycheeze on Jun 10, 2009 0:47:26 GMT -5
-They pray to Saints and the Virgin Mary as well as God. -They believe in doing good works to get into Heaven. See any Jack Chick tract for details. -The Catholic Church is a hierarchical system with the Pope leading. Fanatical Protestants see the Pope as a substitute for God (for Catholics) or the anti-Christ. -They need some organization to call the "Whore of Babylon" so who better than the Catholic Church. Yes, I would classify Catholics as polytheistic. But I'd say the same thing about all of Christianity with the whole stupid "Three in One" God thingy. That's called a polymorphic monotheism. Also to add to that, there are the giants that impregnated human women who gave birth to demi-gods. |
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