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Post by Maryland Bear on Jun 10, 2009 8:39:54 GMT -5
Okay, fundamentalists insist they treat the entire Bible as literally true and follow every word of it. Well, if you're on fstdt, you probably know that's bunk. As a former pastor of mine said, "no one treats the Bible as 100% literally true. Some of us are just more honest about it." What are some parts of the Bible fundies ignore? For starters - At least one Commandment: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor". "Obama's a Muslim!" for instance. (And I'd argue willing accepting a wild claim without any effort at verifying it comes close to violating that Commandment.)
- The treatment of foreigners, as opposed to their raving paranoia about immigration
- Exodus 22:21: "You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt."
- Leviticus 19:34: "The alien who resides among you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt; I am the Lord your God."
- Hebrews: "Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing so some have entertained angels unawares."
- The Sin of Sodom: Ezekiel 16:48-50 "She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me."
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Post by The_L on Jun 10, 2009 9:41:48 GMT -5
Matthew 7:1-2a "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged."
(Yes, this is the KJV. It's what I grew up with. It's the one I have memorized.)
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Post by mice34 on Jun 10, 2009 9:53:19 GMT -5
Joshua 10:12-13
Then spoke Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord gave the Amorites over to the men of Israel; and he said in the sight of Israel, "Sun, stand thou still at Gibeon, and thou Moon in the valley of Aijalon." And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stayed in the midst of heaven, and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day. I wish they'd admit this means the sun revolves around the earth, and the church who thought so for hundreds of years and persecuted Galileo did it because that's what "God's word" literally says. It's amazing to me people died over this passage and now no one notices it exists. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Jun 10, 2009 10:45:27 GMT -5
All of it, unless relevent to their current stance
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Post by yojetak on Jun 10, 2009 10:57:40 GMT -5
As a former christian, I can tell you that they throw out the old testament because it's part of the "old covenant." Christians should only follow Christ and his words.
However, this gets sticky for two reasons.
1. Christians still follow the 10 commandments.
The 10 commandments were part of the old covenant. The old covenant had 3 sets of moral law, the 10 commandments being one of the three. Christians throw out the other two, but keep that one. Even Christ threw out the 10 and replaced them with 6, which were the more secular commandments anyway (The passage is in Matthew where he's talking to a rich guy.).
One thing I find interesting, however, is the Fundies like to pick and choose which part of the old covenant to keep, such as "thou shall not mark your skin"(so no tattoo's) but ignore the passage IMMEDIATELY after which says "don't trim your beard." My boyfriend had his pastor try to tell him he was evil for having extensive tattoos using that passage. So he called his pastor evil for not having a beard. It was lulzy to say the least.
2. The Apostle Paul contradicts Jesus' words.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. "(Mat 5)
Paul, however, says that Jesus was part of the New Covenant, which was promised to Israel in Jeremiah. He does away with the old law to make Christianity more appealing to pagan cultures.
I think the "old" and "new" covenant are bullocks and did even when I was a Christian. Whenever I raised the contradiction to my teachers, they would wave it away as if it was a dumb question or get angry with me. I could write a whole book on just what was wrong with that school. /sigh
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Post by Oriet on Jun 10, 2009 11:52:16 GMT -5
All of it, unless relevent to their current stance This, only I'll further it by saying they don't even care if they have done or continue to do the thing, whatever it may be, they only use the bible to damn others for it. |
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Post by Old Viking on Jun 10, 2009 13:14:07 GMT -5
"Amen, amen, I say to you, the only path to earthly happiness and life eternal is to send all your possessions to Old Viking." Morbidity 12: 1
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jun 10, 2009 13:15:16 GMT -5
Fundies have said when Jesus said "Those without sin cast the first stone," he was only talking about that one instance.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jun 10, 2009 13:18:35 GMT -5
2. The Apostle Paul contradicts Jesus' words."Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. "(Mat 5) Paul, however, says that Jesus was part of the New Covenant, which was promised to Israel in Jeremiah. He does away with the old law to make Christianity more appealing to pagan cultures. Considering most of what Jesus has said, this feels EXTREMELY out of character. Especially with his hatred for the majority of the Pharisees and his sudden lack of a hippie attitude. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jun 10, 2009 13:27:19 GMT -5
Jesus is like that all over the Bible. He stitches attitudes. First, don't judge. But you musn't hang out with sinners! Yet at the same time, he suggests you be friends with everyone. Then says you must cut your eye out if it offends you.
He was a weirdo.
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Post by Tiger on Jun 10, 2009 13:30:06 GMT -5
Fundies have said when Jesus said "Those without sin cast the first stone," he was only talking about that one instance. And that all his other teachings only referred to individuals, and governments can do whatever the hell they want. The "stone" line referring only to that instance is bunk because if it's taken generally, the message is pretty much the same as the "judge not" line mention above. 2. The Apostle Paul contradicts Jesus' words."Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. "(Mat 5) Paul, however, says that Jesus was part of the New Covenant, which was promised to Israel in Jeremiah. He does away with the old law to make Christianity more appealing to pagan cultures. I don't see a contradiction there. One of the things I was taught about Jesus was that he wasn't against the laws, he was against those who would obey them to the letter without giving a thought as to what God would have actually wanted, like the Pharisees did (and modern-day fundies still do). So Paul and Jesus were talking about the same thing. And to sum up this thread... "No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means." – George Bernard Shaw |
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Post by ironbite on Jun 10, 2009 13:30:24 GMT -5
He was aok....and wasn't afraid to throw some bitches to his friends when he got tired.
Ironbite-ahh memories...something something in my mind.
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Post by yojetak on Jun 10, 2009 13:46:15 GMT -5
Fundies have said when Jesus said "Those without sin cast the first stone," he was only talking about that one instance. And that all his other teachings only referred to individuals, and governments can do whatever the hell they want. The "stone" line referring only to that instance is bunk because if it's taken generally, the message is pretty much the same as the "judge not" line mention above. It's generally accepted by both secular and christian scholars that the story about the stoning and "thou without sin cast the first stone" was added at a much later date. It was not in the original text. Who added it is not known. I can see that. Another wise saying I heard is that when the Bible can be used to support many contradicting views, it ends up not supporting any view at all. |
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Post by antichrist on Jun 10, 2009 13:54:11 GMT -5
Take the entire sermon on the mount.
Actually, whoever said the bible was just an ink blot test was 100% accurate.
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Post by Tiger on Jun 10, 2009 14:50:50 GMT -5
And that all his other teachings only referred to individuals, and governments can do whatever the hell they want. The "stone" line referring only to that instance is bunk because if it's taken generally, the message is pretty much the same as the "judge not" line mention above. It's generally accepted by both secular and christian scholars that the story about the stoning and "thou without sin cast the first stone" was added at a much later date. It was not in the original text. Who added it is not known. I was unaware of that, but I think that for the sake of the thread we're assuming the Bible really is the word of Yahweh. Stephen Colbert called Atlas Shrugged the conservative Bible because both were preachy and could be used to justify anything. Even today, we have people citing the Bible to justify genocide and people citing it as a call to pacifism. Imagine the society we'd be living in if we could just get past the idea that bronze-age texts are the infallible word of a god. |
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