RR on the Burqa Ban

[The Lazy One]

www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?p=1309455#post1309455

Sarkozy said that Burqas have no place in France, and RR is cheering him on. While I am unsure on the issue, it seems RR can turn everything fail really easily.

MidnightCry-

Not only that -- I think they're creepy. The other day I was running a few errands with my kids . . . didn't cover a huge area, but saw 6 draped women walking or driving -- and I wasn't LOOKING for them (so, no doubt there were more). It gives me a creepy feeling -- I hope that doesn't sound racist -- it isn't that. I just know that they want me dead and . . . call me crazy, that bothers me.

Maybe she was in my town and saw my friend's mother and grandmother? They wear burqas because it's what they wore for years and it's what they're most comfortable in. They're both very nice people and definitely don't want anyone dead. So yes, MidnightCry, you do sound racist, and you shouldn't make assumptions based on what a person is wearing. Should I judge a lady in a muumuu because I wouldn't wear one? Should I judge someone in a Christian T-shirt because I wouldn't wear one? No.

Again, MidnightCry-

Wow. Sure would be nice if O would follow in his tracks.
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Uhhh... no. You see, here in America, we allow people to wear what they choose (within reason- you can't go out in public with no pants on). If someone chooses to wear a burqa, that's their business. If someone chooses to wear a penguin suit, that's their business. If someone chooses to wear a muumuu, that's their business. A lady wearing a burqa doesn't affect you. No one is holding a gun at your head and saying, "I'm going to shoot you if you don't wear a burqa."

Now, I don't agree with anyone being forced to wear anything, but if someone wants to wear a burqa, more power to them. This isn't Afghanistan where a woman has to wear a burqa under law. I can wear a T-shirt, jeans, and flip-flops. X can wear a tux. Y can wear a party dress. And Z can wear a burqa, if she so chooses.

[Angel]

I don't like burquas, but that's mostly because I'm partially deaf and rely on lip reading to some extent. If I can't see your mouth, and you're talking quietly with a layer of material muffling the sound, and most likely have an unfamiliar accent, I won't be able to understand you at all well, and that makes me feel awkward. However, I don't want them banned.vI defend people's right to wear the things if they really want to, just don't expect to be able to communicate easily with me.

[SimSim]

I especially like the part where he says he knew they wanted him dead. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight, because every Muslim is a terrorist determined to kill as many Christians and Jews as they can. And the dude is worried about being racist? No need to worry, you clearly are.

[Armand Tanzarian]

And these are the same people who say women who wear pants are ungodly?

[DeadpanDoubter]

I think a definite distinction can be made between burkas and these other things. Sarkozy wisely labeled burkas as subjugative to women (hope I phrased that correctly) . . . something that is frowned upon in France, and in the US, two countries that treat men and women as equals, unlike Muslim countries. Wearing Christian jewelry or clothing in no way diminishes someone due to sex. Anyway, I just see them as completely different issues.

Not all women are forced to wear them, though, and in these allegedly free countries, as TLO said, there aren't laws forcing them to wear them, yet they still wear them. Hm.

The key is separating religion from culture -- something that Islam doesn't do. Their religion overtakes their culture.

Wait...who were the ones screaming "America is a Christian nation!!!", again? Hm.

The last people I want to hear opinions about anything to do with Islam or Muslims from are the Raptards, even if they're trying to act like the good guys.

[Paradox]

So they make a huge stink about people not wearing enough clothes, but they can't stand it when people wear to much either. They're probably jealous that they didn't think of it first.

[The Lazy One]

Jun 22, 2009 17:12:18 GMT -5 Paradox said:

So they make a huge stink about people not wearing enough clothes, but they can't stand it when people wear to much either. They're probably jealous that they didn't think of it first.

So they have burqa envy.

It explains a lot.

[The Lazy One]

Reason&Hope-

It's more complicated than this. Many, many Muslim women do NOT want to wear burqas or even hijabs, but they are forced by the leaders in their community to do so.

That may be true some of the time, but I'm going to go back to the example of my friend. Her mother and grandmother wear burqas because it's what they feel more comfortable in. My friend doesn't wear a burqa, but wears an abaya and a hijab every day. Her father even told her, "If you don't want to cover your hair you don't have to." She wears the hijab for two reasons- one, she likes the scarves and thinks they are pretty. Two, she says it's nice and cool in the summer and a scarf keeps you warm in the winter. She's not being forced to do anything she doesn't want to.

Also, InHisPresence FTW. Thank you for having the most well-reasoned post on that thread.

[Paradox]

Scarves are pretty, and some of the girls at my campus have very colorful hijabs. I think they're hijabs.

[Dragon Zachski]

Actually, I can think of a way burkas/hijabs/whatever COULD be considered feminism. At least, the one that covers their face.

Very simply put; it's possible for a woman to wear one, hiding her face, and sending out a signal to all men (and interested women) that says: You have to earn the right to see my beauty. You have to judge me not based on how beautiful my skin is, but how I am as a person.

And for many islamic women, wearing burkas/hijabs (I can't remember which) is not just a part of their religious tradition, it's a part of who they are as people. Banning them from wearing it would be like banning Native Americans from wearing symbols of their ancestors' tribes.

[Old Viking]

Scariest damned thing I ever heard of!

[Mantorok]

Jun 22, 2009 17:29:17 GMT -5 Paradox said:

Scarves are pretty, and some of the girls at my campus have very colorful hijabs. I think they're hijabs.

It's either a khimār or shaylah. Hijab is more the concept of being veiled/dressed modestly.

[Tiger]

Jun 22, 2009 21:35:18 GMT -5 Mantorok said:

Jun 22, 2009 17:29:17 GMT -5 Paradox said:

Scarves are pretty, and some of the girls at my campus have very colorful hijabs. I think they're hijabs.

It's either a khimār or shaylah. Hijab is more the concept of being veiled/dressed modestly.

I always thought hijab meant headscarf. This seems to back me up.

Jun 22, 2009 15:39:01 GMT -5 SimSim said:

And the dude is worried about being racist? No need to worry, you clearly are.

We need a word for people who are prejudiced against people of a certain religion. Racist doesn't really fit.

Creedist?

[Trevelyan]

I've never agreed with Burqa, however, I've never agreed with speedo's either. I personally don't like them, and don't see how they can be comfortable. That being said, I don't think we should ban them.

[Mantorok]

Jun 22, 2009 21:42:59 GMT -5 Tiger said:

I always thought hijab meant headscarf. This seems to back me up.

I was going by what a Lebanese friend had told me. This seems to back me up.