POSW
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Still metal, no longer Jewish
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Post by POSW on Aug 11, 2009 18:03:56 GMT -5
In order to get me to join their little cult, a Christian fundie would need to answer the following questions:
- How can I know for sure that God exists?
- Why in the world would God want to have a human son, and how is it possible to kill that son? (He's divine, he should be immortal, right?)
- Why would God need to kill his own son to forgive mankind's sins, when he could do so himself with a wave of his hand?
In another, related line of questioning:
- Why would a loving God judge people using impossible standards that no human being could ever live up to, and then condemn us to hell for not meeting those standards?
- Because of a single sin that our ancestors committed 6,000 years ago? But couldn't God have stopped that sin from happening if he had wanted to?
- Why would God give free will to man in the first place if he knew that they were going to use it to commit Original Sin?
- Why would he give an exception from this judgment to those people who happened to be born into Christian families? (Let's face it, religion is inherited)
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 11, 2009 23:20:31 GMT -5
The 2nd question is easy. The spirit is immortal, but the body is not.
Everything else, there is no logical answer to. The best of my Fundie-Fu would be complete gibberish.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Aug 12, 2009 1:44:40 GMT -5
The spirit is immortal, but the body is not sounds awfully Buddhist.
Therefore even if it's not Buddhist in the slightest as it sounds Buddhist it's wrong.
The answer would have to be "Because God can do anything."
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 12, 2009 2:30:10 GMT -5
Ah, but Satan is good at making false religions sound like Christianity.
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Post by antichrist on Aug 12, 2009 13:48:40 GMT -5
The spirit is immortal, but the body is not sounds awfully Buddhist. Therefore even if it's not Buddhist in the slightest as it sounds Buddhist it's wrong. The answer would have to be "Because God can do anything." As a Buddhist, I don't believe in an immortal spirit. Just saying. |
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Post by ironbite on Aug 12, 2009 16:23:27 GMT -5
Wha!? No immortal spirit!?
Ironbite-so how do you reach Kurt Cobain?
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Aug 12, 2009 17:09:15 GMT -5
Wha!? No immortal spirit!? Ironbite-so how do you reach Kurt Cobain? Same way he left us in the first place, I suppose.  |
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Post by Star Cluster on Aug 14, 2009 7:27:17 GMT -5
It would take more than answering a few questions to convince me, especially since most of them are so adept at spouting such asinine bullshit in an attempt to explain their beliefs.
What it would take for me is for them to demonstrate their true faith by using it to do what the Bible says you can do if your faith is strong enough...move a mountain.
And I'm not talking about some little land slide or the mountain moving downhill a little bit due to an earthquake or some other naturally occurring event, but by moving it from point A to point B which otherwise would not be possible to explain except for supernatural means.
I challenge any Christian to do this. After all, the Bible says you can do it if you have enough faith, so should be quite simple to do. Prove to me your God exists.
Now, pardon me while I get on with my life while waiting for this to happen.
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Post by Haseen on Aug 14, 2009 16:18:03 GMT -5
I would need conclusive proof that:
1. their god exists.
2. the god wants us to follow the religion.
3. that following the religion is actually beneficial, and it's not just the god being a prick.
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Post by Jedi Knight on Aug 14, 2009 18:23:31 GMT -5
Actuall, I can't see any way a fundie could convince me - ever. I need nothing less than divine intervention, a real miracle performed by a god I can identify. In other words, I need first hand evidence of God's existence, and I need to be sure I can be trusted. There must be no doubt that what I experience is real.
Under those circumstances, I'd be convinced.
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Post by anti-nonsense on Aug 15, 2009 0:05:52 GMT -5
I have to agree with the people that say that no amount of philosophical argument would be completely convincing. Granted if somebody made an argument for god's existence that didn't contain gaping huge logical fallacies (as all the ones I've seen do) I'd be impressed but it wouldn't convince me that god actually exists, because just because an argument is logically sound doesn't make it true.
It would take concrete evidence. Something miraculous. And I don't just mean some Christian winning the lottery or something stupid like that. Something I could SEE/identify and something that couldn't be dismissed as a hallucination, a co-incidence, con-artist trickery, or something else non-supernatural.
According to the Bible, God appeared to whole bunches of people and did whole bunches of miracles in the past. And Jesus let Thomas touch the wounds to verify his reality, why can't others have a similar chance to verify? Why does everybody nowadays have to go on "faith"?
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Post by Vypernight on Aug 15, 2009 4:02:30 GMT -5
I don't care how much proof they have. If I have to become a prejudiced, bigoted prick, I'm not converting. I have enough hate in my heart for certain people based on their specific actions. I draw the line, though, at hating peope just because they're different.
If I have to go to Hell for that, so be it. At least I know Lucifer is keeping the seat warm for me.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 15, 2009 7:24:22 GMT -5
Inner Fundie: You see? Atheists will never be convinced, no matter what anyone says! They're too closed-minded, they shift the goal posts & set impossible standards!
Also, everyone who's eyes were irradiated with that smugness should probably check themselves for cancer.
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Post by wackadoodle on Aug 15, 2009 8:56:03 GMT -5
I have to agree with the people that say that no amount of philosophical argument would be completely convincing. Granted if somebody made an argument for god's existence that didn't contain gaping huge logical fallacies (as all the ones I've seen do) I'd be impressed but it wouldn't convince me that god actually exists, because just because an argument is logically sound doesn't make it true. It would take concrete evidence. Something miraculous. And I don't just mean some Christian winning the lottery or something stupid like that. Something I could SEE/identify and something that couldn't be dismissed as a hallucination, a co-incidence, con-artist trickery, or something else non-supernatural. According to the Bible, God appeared to whole bunches of people and did whole bunches of miracles in the past. And Jesus let Thomas touch the wounds to verify his reality, why can't others have a similar chance to verify? Why does everybody nowadays have to go on "faith"? Funny how god stops raining fireballs on heretics and summoning bears to protect his prophets just as soon as we have a reliable way to record events. |
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Post by Haseen on Aug 15, 2009 20:28:32 GMT -5
Inner Fundie: You see? Atheists will never be convinced, no matter what anyone says! They're too closed-minded, they shift the goal posts & set impossible standards! Also, everyone who's eyes were irradiated with that smugness should probably check themselves for cancer. Yay for impossible standards and moving goalposts! It should be easy for a perfect God to hit a moving target, and make it that much more convincing. That is, unless he has unbelievably bad aim. You know, like smiting (insert disaster here) victims when the smite was aimed at gay people. |
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