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Post by katz on Aug 19, 2009 14:54:53 GMT -5
I'm more surprised that woman said anything to the camera afterwards. If I'd gotten my ass torn out by a non-English speaker making a much more rational argument than myself, I'd be liable to just slink away before I, well, ended up on YouTube.
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Post by Vene on Aug 19, 2009 15:53:41 GMT -5
It's hard to be ashamed to be an American when I don't self identify as one.
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Post by tiado on Aug 19, 2009 16:29:52 GMT -5
Why is it that the people who are so against accessible healthcare for everybody or healthcare reform, are the type who wouldn't be able to afford medical bills if they were to get sick or injured?
At least that is what I've been observing from my POV. Not everybody has lots of money just laying around to pay for medical treatments, nor do they have any form of insurance because their either unemployed due to the economy, or they've had their coverage dropped because the insurance company figured they were too much of a risk.
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Post by ausador on Aug 19, 2009 16:46:06 GMT -5
Why is it that the people who are so against accessible healthcare for everybody or healthcare reform, are the type who wouldn't be able to afford medical bills if they were to get sick or injured? At least that is what I've been observing from my POV. Not everybody has lots of money just laying around to pay for medical treatments, nor do they have any form of insurance because their either unemployed due to the economy, or they've had their coverage dropped because the insurance company figured they were too much of a risk. What amazes me is all the clips of the town halls here in Florida that show the white haired elderly who are abviously of an age that they are covered by government medicare who are complaining. So government "run" healthcare is good enough for you, but you don't want anyone else to have it? I honestly cannot figure out what their problem is, well besides the whole "the democrats want to do it, so it must be bad" thing...sigh...  |
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Post by Jedi Knight on Aug 19, 2009 16:54:46 GMT -5
No, you can't choose who else lives in your country, you need not take part in any national shame. I mean, Quisling was a Norwegian, but that's not my fault.
About that woman: I'm worried she and I are the same species.
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Post by chiheisen on Aug 19, 2009 20:25:03 GMT -5
I don't mean to be judgemental, but she doesn't look like the type of person who has 8,000 dollars to pay a medical bill anyway. Hell, my mother got a $700 bill from the hospital, and took her months to pay it off. Agreed, agreed. What amazes me is all the clips of the town halls here in Florida that show the white haired elderly who are abviously of an age that they are covered by government medicare who are complaining. So government "run" healthcare is good enough for you, but you don't want anyone else to have it? I honestly cannot figure out what their problem is, well besides the whole "the democrats want to do it, so it must be bad" thing...sigh... Heh, my mother would be one of those people, if she would ever go to a meeting of any type. She's absolutely convinced that Obama wants to kill her because she's over 60. No matter how hard I try to explain to her that no, Obama does not want her dead, and that a socialized healthcare system would be a good thing, she much rather listen to Fox news and the like. The funny thing is that she knows that after this year I won't have any insurance and that I need a way to be able to pay for my regular blood work, doctors' visits, and medication. She agrees that there should be a way that would help me with all of that. Luckily, I'll be in Japan again after this year and I'll be able to join their national insurance again. Of course, that is if everything goes according to plan. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Aug 19, 2009 20:49:38 GMT -5
I'm more surprised that woman said anything to the camera afterwards. If I'd gotten my ass torn out by a non-English speaker making a much more rational argument than myself, I'd be liable to just slink away before I, well, ended up on YouTube. Well, one of two things happened I think in her brain 1. she actually thought she was right and her insults were as viable as all his arguement or 2. the adrenaline started pumping and in her zerg rush her mouth started flapping (I mean she did look really wound up and into the mock sobbing at him, beyond a simple mocking) |
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Post by dasfuchs on Aug 19, 2009 20:53:21 GMT -5
Why is it that the people who are so against accessible healthcare for everybody or healthcare reform, are the type who wouldn't be able to afford medical bills if they were to get sick or injured? At least that is what I've been observing from my POV. Not everybody has lots of money just laying around to pay for medical treatments, nor do they have any form of insurance because their either unemployed due to the economy, or they've had their coverage dropped because the insurance company figured they were too much of a risk. Because these people are braindead tools that fell for the republican bullshit and think it'll screw them in taxes or end the world or something. I've honestly heard arguements in the past that social health care would lower the quality of dctors and ruin the perfect treatment insurance* offers. People seriously fell for this bullshit, and quite frankly, all the morons they heard the bullshit from (o'rly, Rush, Faux, etc) can all afford insurance on their own, so with or without it, they don't have to worry *We'll see how perfect that insurance is when they claim too many hospital visits and the insurance skyrockets or drops their ass |
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Post by tiado on Aug 20, 2009 0:43:34 GMT -5
Because these people are braindead tools that fell for the republican bullshit and think it'll screw them in taxes or end the world or something. I've honestly heard arguements in the past that social health care would lower the quality of dctors and ruin the perfect treatment insurance* offers. People seriously fell for this bullshit, and quite frankly, all the morons they heard the bullshit from (o'rly, Rush, Faux, etc) can all afford insurance on their own, so with or without it, they don't have to worry *We'll see how perfect that insurance is when they claim too many hospital visits and the insurance skyrockets or drops their ass Really, the only thing it is going to do is if you need emergency medical services due to an incident like, say, a car accident or something like that, that you're not going to get stuck with a >$10000 bill or something like that because your insurance company decided that you fell into a "high risk" bracket and dropped you like toxic waste. I have a crazy idea, maybe instead of dumping 95% of the GDP in militarization, 1% could be used to fund affordable health care. But no, that will never fly with the red-blooded, artillery-hoarding, pickup-truck-rusting, trailer-home-trashing, environment-fucking, GOP-influenced-right-wing-AM-talk-radio-and-FOX-news-worshipping, overly-processed-and-high-fructose-corn-syrup-laden-food-consuming, screw-everybody-else-my-idea-for-this-country-is-right-and-everyone-else-is-wrong-so-screw-you... uh, types. It just wouldn't fly with them. Like I said, it's a crazy idea. It just takes me aback that so many people can be so rabidly against making medical services more affordable to everybody... Oh wait, that reeks of *gasp* COMMUNISM!! *redscaredramaticmusicreverb* Ohhhh, now I got why it's facing so much opposition. Sorry, I got a little silly with this post, I just needed to let off some ranty sarcasm. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Aug 20, 2009 1:01:23 GMT -5
Because these people are braindead tools that fell for the republican bullshit and think it'll screw them in taxes or end the world or something. I've honestly heard arguements in the past that social health care would lower the quality of dctors and ruin the perfect treatment insurance* offers. People seriously fell for this bullshit, and quite frankly, all the morons they heard the bullshit from (o'rly, Rush, Faux, etc) can all afford insurance on their own, so with or without it, they don't have to worry *We'll see how perfect that insurance is when they claim too many hospital visits and the insurance skyrockets or drops their ass Really, the only thing it is going to do is if you need emergency medical services due to an incident like, say, a car accident or something like that, that you're not going to get stuck with a >$10000 bill or something like that because your insurance company decided that you fell into a "high risk" bracket and dropped you like toxic waste. I have a crazy idea, maybe instead of dumping 95% of the GDP in militarization, 1% could be used to fund affordable health care. But no, that will never fly with the red-blooded, artillery-hoarding, pickup-truck-rusting, trailer-home-trashing, environment-fucking, GOP-influenced-right-wing-AM-talk-radio-and-FOX-news-worshipping, overly-processed-and-high-fructose-corn-syrup-laden-food-consuming, screw-everybody-else-my-idea-for-this-country-is-right-and-everyone-else-is-wrong-so-screw-you... uh, types. It just wouldn't fly with them. Like I said, it's a crazy idea. It just takes me aback that so many people can be so rabidly against making medical services more affordable to everybody... Oh wait, that reeks of *gasp* COMMUNISM!! *redscaredramaticmusicreverb* Ohhhh, now I got why it's facing so much opposition. Sorry, I got a little silly with this post, I just needed to let off some ranty sarcasm. I've honestly had open debates with a coworker (ok, by supervisor) on breaks about the social healthcare thing. She flaunts her ex military status and the whole socialism=evil thing. Her last part of the discussion earlier tonight was "Well your job provides you with healthcare now, so you have no reason to complain" I have plenty reason to complain, i know what it's like for others with no healthcare. If anything i'd push harder for it now because it's not fair I should get it work related or no while others get shafted. As you said, if we'd stop trying to build the military into the biggest fucking empire on the planet and spent even a small percentage of that on healthcare, we'd be set. Of course that falls into the better funding for schools and the like too, aka won't fucking happen. Conservative shit logic pisses me off to no end. "We pissed someone off, they might attack us, we need a bigger military to send in and control the which pisses them off, so we need a bigger military..." wash, rinse, repeat. If they'd step back for a half second and realize we cause the problems we're defending against, maybe we should stop causing problems |
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Post by tiado on Aug 20, 2009 1:28:09 GMT -5
I've honestly had open debates with a coworker (ok, by supervisor) on breaks about the social healthcare thing. She flaunts her ex military status and the whole socialism=evil thing. Her last part of the discussion earlier tonight was "Well your job provides you with healthcare now, so you have no reason to complain" I have plenty reason to complain, i know what it's like for others with no healthcare. If anything i'd push harder for it now because it's not fair I should get it work related or no while others get shafted. As you said, if we'd stop trying to build the military into the biggest fucking empire on the planet and spent even a small percentage of that on healthcare, we'd be set. Of course that falls into the better funding for schools and the like too, aka won't fucking happen. Conservative shit logic pisses me off to no end. "We pissed someone off, they might attack us, we need a bigger military to send in and control the which pisses them off, so we need a bigger military..." wash, rinse, repeat. If they'd step back for a half second and realize we cause the problems we're defending against, maybe we should stop causing problems I'm sure your ex-military boss is also enjoying medical, dental, and optical benefits as a result of having served in the military. It's sad to say, but there are people out there who enjoy being able to have something, and pretty much shove it in the faces of those who don't. I know I feel bad when I hear of somebody who is unable to get quality care for an injury or illness. I can't believe I considered myself a conservative once. That was until I saw the way conservatives pick fights and antagonize others to the point where the other guys are pissed off enough to fight. Then Mr. conservative runs and hides behind a massive military with lots of kewl planet-destroying toys at his disposal. Hmmm, sounds a lot like Bush Jr. |
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Post by chad sexington on Aug 20, 2009 2:56:28 GMT -5
Her last part of the discussion earlier tonight was "Well your job provides you with healthcare now, so you have no reason to complain" "I'm all right, everyone else can go to hell."* Modern 'conservatism' in a nutshell. *or, in an older idiom, "she cooks her food on her neighbour's burning house" |
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Post by Aqualung on Aug 20, 2009 9:37:36 GMT -5
Why is it that the people who are so against accessible healthcare for everybody or healthcare reform, are the type who wouldn't be able to afford medical bills if they were to get sick or injured? At least that is what I've been observing from my POV. Not everybody has lots of money just laying around to pay for medical treatments, nor do they have any form of insurance because their either unemployed due to the economy, or they've had their coverage dropped because the insurance company figured they were too much of a risk. Because they think it either won't happen to them, or if it does they'll find some way to get out of paying for it ("Gawd will provide!"), just like the Republican douchebags they vote for to stop it. >.< Also, stereotypes start somewhere, that's all I'm saying. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Aug 20, 2009 11:33:02 GMT -5
I've honestly had open debates with a coworker (ok, by supervisor) on breaks about the social healthcare thing. She flaunts her ex military status and the whole socialism=evil thing. Her last part of the discussion earlier tonight was "Well your job provides you with healthcare now, so you have no reason to complain" I have plenty reason to complain, i know what it's like for others with no healthcare. If anything i'd push harder for it now because it's not fair I should get it work related or no while others get shafted. As you said, if we'd stop trying to build the military into the biggest fucking empire on the planet and spent even a small percentage of that on healthcare, we'd be set. Of course that falls into the better funding for schools and the like too, aka won't fucking happen. Conservative shit logic pisses me off to no end. "We pissed someone off, they might attack us, we need a bigger military to send in and control the which pisses them off, so we need a bigger military..." wash, rinse, repeat. If they'd step back for a half second and realize we cause the problems we're defending against, maybe we should stop causing problems I'm sure your ex-military boss is also enjoying medical, dental, and optical benefits as a result of having served in the military. It's sad to say, but there are people out there who enjoy being able to have something, and pretty much shove it in the faces of those who don't. I know I feel bad when I hear of somebody who is unable to get quality care for an injury or illness. I can't believe I considered myself a conservative once. That was until I saw the way conservatives pick fights and antagonize others to the point where the other guys are pissed off enough to fight. Then Mr. conservative runs and hides behind a massive military with lots of kewl planet-destroying toys at his disposal. Hmmm, sounds a lot like Bush Jr. Yeah, figured I should have thrown in her military experience for that reason. |
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Post by Professor Cold Heart on Aug 20, 2009 11:41:36 GMT -5
I thought the American right was on good terms with Israel, but now, apprently, it's run by Nazis.
Similarly, the UK seems to have gone from one of America's staunchest allies to an Orwellian dystopia.
Guess you can choose your enemies...
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