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Post by Death on Mar 13, 2009 9:03:00 GMT -5
Before the election I heard quite a few conservatives say they'd leave if the dems won. Well the dems won and they still won't go. Now all the talk is about Going John Galt. (though I doubt any of them have ever read the book) www.goingjohngalt.org/blog/Just hippies by another name. Seriously, they believe they can drop out and make a wonderful little completely independent conservative paradise on their own where they can live out their "It"s mine and I'm not sharing" and "Fuck you" state of mind. I expect we might be hearing a bit more of this from faaaaar right pundits over the coming months
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 13, 2009 9:18:28 GMT -5
As in Atlas Shrugged? Really?
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Post by Death on Mar 13, 2009 9:31:08 GMT -5
As in Atlas Shrugged? Really? yes really
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Post by mistermuncher on Mar 13, 2009 9:44:32 GMT -5
Ah, the mouth-trousers gap broadens once more.
They're definitely going to go John Galt. It's going to happen just after the South Rises Again, but just before Chuck Norris' second revolution.
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Post by Green-Eyed Lilo on Mar 13, 2009 12:35:01 GMT -5
Didn't John Galt and his friends actually, you know, contribute to society first in that novel? Just asking.
Hell, I say let 'em go and do it. I'll help them pack. I'll help carry stuff. I'd let them borrow my truck, if I had one. Anything so I can hear less from these fools.
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Post by Death on Mar 13, 2009 12:36:44 GMT -5
Didn't John Galt and his friends actually, you know, contribute to society first in that novel? Just asking. Hell, I say let 'em go and do it. I'll help them pack. I'll help carry stuff. I'd let them borrow my truck, if I had one. Anything so I can hear less from these fools. They did but then saw the error of their ways. Need help with helping them with the packing? lol
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 13, 2009 13:01:44 GMT -5
Death, I didn't go further than the title of the thread, initially. John Galt=Atlas Shrugged=Ayn Rand=libertarian bullshit, being the "I got mine" mentality, fuck social responsibility, fuck the social contract, fuck everybody but me. When I was around 14 years old, I thought Ayn Rand was a genius, a person who knew how things worked. Then I finished school, spent some time in the real world and realized what a major crock of shit she was peddling. If I offend any Ayn Randites out there, my purpose wasn't to offend, merely to point out the bankruptcy of her philosophy, simplistic and selfish. Inhuman, actually.
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Post by Death on Mar 13, 2009 13:29:13 GMT -5
Death, I didn't go further than the title of the thread, initially. John Galt=Atlas Shrugged=Ayn Rand=libertarian bullshit, being the "I got mine" mentality, fuck social responsibility, fuck the social contract, fuck everybody but me. When I was around 14 years old, I thought Ayn Rand was a genius, a person who knew how things worked. Then I finished school, spent some time in the real world and realized what a major crock of shit she was peddling. If I offend any Ayn Randites out there, my purpose wasn't to offend, merely to point out the bankruptcy of her philosophy, simplistic and selfish. Inhuman, actually. Well, she's coming back into style. Not the mentality, that's been around forever, just that the hannity/beck/rushtards have found her and heaven knows they need something new to talk about. Not that they read the books or anything, reading is elitist, they've 'heard' about it on the blogs and it's simple enough for their tiny minds to grasp . *****snicker*****
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Post by ausador on Mar 13, 2009 15:55:30 GMT -5
Well I could only wish the selfish bastards would pack up and leave. The basic premise of that stupid book that was never challenged was that these captains of industry were somehow superhuman. In the book they were certainly made to appear that way, but how many of the current C.E.O.'s could in anyones imagineings fit that mold. They are entitled paper shuffling hacks and they aren't even very good at that. They owe their jobs to being members of the "old boys" club and attending the right colleges with the right people instead of on their skill in a lot of cases.
In all seriousness for the most part today their jobs involve moving imaginery money from investment to investment and each time taking a large commission for themselves irregardless of whether or not the customer made money. They pay themselves 7, 8, and 9 figures salaries for this plus bonuses and stock options. They concurrently pay a much lower percentage of their income in taxes to the government than their own secretaries or you and I do while complaining that they are overtaxed.
Their compensation has become directly tied to bonuses based on the current valuation of the company stock. If the stock declines they make an obscene amount of money, if the stock goes up they make a much larger and more hideously obscene amount of money. This has led to shortsighted decisions and the exporting of production and jobs overseas. The only goal is to pay the maximum dividend to stockholders immediately, the long term growth and investment in the company is neglected.
The Republican "Tax Cut" for the 'well off strategy' was based in the idea that this extra income to the rich would be invested in start-up companies and the stock market and thus create jobs and income for others in this country. While this was probably somewhat true during the Reagan years it is demonstrably false now. The majority of American investment dollars is now going overseas just as our jobs did. In the same period that 41 billion was invested within this country 72 billion was invested into expansion of overseas holdings.
Giving taxcuts no longer results in investment in this country, it simply furthers the flight of capital from this country. Basically the upper strata of income earners have sold us out, and continue to sell us out. Their proclamations of patriotism and wrapping themselves up in the flag not withstanding. They don't give a damn about this country or it's workers, they simply want to make the maximum amount of money they can in the shortest time possible. Someone needs to publicaly call them out on their bullshit and show the "Joe six packs" of the country where all the money is going.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 13, 2009 18:43:26 GMT -5
Ausador - they've been selling us all out from the beginning of the industrial revolution. How much wealth and power is enough? The sellout of the N. American economy got a jump start in 1980, and hasn't looked back yet. Simple math would tell them that they shipped their market overseas for 10 years of profits by cost-cutting at the labour end of things. The labourers of Mexico make 1/20th of American wages, and can't afford to buy the products they build. Since cutting literaly MILLIONS of jobs from N. America, MILLIONS of potential sales went with it, since the high paying jobs were replaced with lower-waged service jobs or part time jobs. Car sales in N. America stagnated, and we ALL receive the benifit of a few short years of windfall profits. Do I sound upset? You bet your ass! Shareholders...
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Post by skyfire on Mar 13, 2009 19:38:02 GMT -5
Before the election I heard quite a few conservatives say they'd leave if the dems won. Well the dems won and they still won't go. To play the devil's advocate, however, a number of liberals - including many celebrities - made a similar claim about leaving in 2000 and 2004 if Bush won. Of those liberal celebrities, only Gore Vidal kept his word; he spent about 6 months winding up his affairs and moved to the southern part of France. Everyone else is still here. A chapter of the NRA even bought George Clooney a one-way bus ticket to Canada to rub it in.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 13, 2009 19:39:07 GMT -5
I left, but long before Bush. Nixon did it for me.
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Post by Anti-Goth on Mar 13, 2009 19:45:59 GMT -5
I left, but long before Bush. Nixon did it for me. Damn, you're old. ;D I kid, I kid.
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Post by Distind on Mar 13, 2009 20:28:37 GMT -5
To play the devil's advocate, however, a number of liberals - including many celebrities - made a similar claim about leaving in 2000 and 2004 if Bush won. Of those liberal celebrities, only Gore Vidal kept his word; he spent about 6 months winding up his affairs and moved to the southern part of France. Everyone else is still here. A chapter of the NRA even bought George Clooney a one-way bus ticket to Canada to rub it in. That'd be one of the few things I'd like to greatly thank the NRA for. Now should we start with the idiots who said the same thing about Obama?
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Post by mnstrm on Mar 13, 2009 20:33:39 GMT -5
Oh man, George Clooney's hot. I'd have welcomed him to the neighbourhood if he'd taken the NRA up on it. Too bad he didn't.
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