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Post by antichrist on Sept 8, 2009 14:51:01 GMT -5
necro'd so that I could edit my post. Took yojetak's name from the quote, not zachski from the response Sorry  |
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Post by RavynousHunter on Sept 8, 2009 20:39:27 GMT -5
I don't think it counts as necromancy unless the last reply before your was over a month ago.
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Post by lonelocust on Sept 9, 2009 0:29:38 GMT -5
My anecdotal experience as someone who was homeschooled is that the vast majority of homeschool families are either fundies or hippies. There's a small percentage (at least of those who attend multi-family functions) of those who homeschool purely because they think they can get the kids a better education. And there's a lot of overlap into the two larger groups of people who think it's a better education.
The sucky thing about homeschooling is people simultaneously think you're uneducated AND you have your academic accomplishments chalked up to homeschooling. Fucking 'a.
(I was in the fundie + the public schools suck at edumacation demographic.)
Edit: just to clarify, I think pretty much everyone who homeschool while not having a schedule or location that prevents normal school think they're giving a better education by their own standards. When I was separating it out, I mean it in that the parents think the education is better in a way an outsider would evaluate, not just better as in "not from Satan" or "having more time to appreciate nature and not be put in a box" or whatever.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Sept 11, 2009 0:44:43 GMT -5
My anecdotal experience as someone who was homeschooled is that the vast majority of homeschool families are either fundies or hippies. There's a small percentage (at least of those who attend multi-family functions) of those who homeschool purely because they think they can get the kids a better education. And there's a lot of overlap into the two larger groups of people who think it's a better education. The sucky thing about homeschooling is people simultaneously think you're uneducated AND you have your academic accomplishments chalked up to homeschooling. Fucking 'a. (I was in the fundie + the public schools suck at edumacation demographic.) Edit: just to clarify, I think pretty much everyone who homeschool while not having a schedule or location that prevents normal school think they're giving a better education by their own standards. When I was separating it out, I mean it in that the parents think the education is better in a way an outsider would evaluate, not just better as in "not from Satan" or "having more time to appreciate nature and not be put in a box" or whatever. For the record, I was homeschooled in a fundie environment. Ironically, my teacher and parent came out of fundamentalism soon after I did, and now we're both no longer Christians. But that's beside the point. I still came out pretty damn good (I was pretty much intro-college level when I graduated from the high school level), as we followed curriculum and such. Hell, my math book was the same kind used in public school classrooms. Towards the end, we were making frequent visits to the library to learn. Really, though, although I do believe homeschooling is awesome for many kids (note that many != most), that the state needs to monitor their progress. And in states that require a degree, offer classes on a community level where you can learn HOW to homeschool and get a fancy little certificate that doubles as a degree. And then the state watches you like a hawk like they should. However, what pisses me off is how bad public schools are. When the authority is just as bad as the bullies, there's a huge problem. In far too many public schools, it seems like kids aren't even treated like human beings :S And then you have public schools pulling stupid stunts like this... P.S.: I saw "edumacation" in your quote, then forgot it was your quote, and then wondered why I would make such a weird typo, then I realized you were just saying it funny for effect. Honestly, I've seen plenty of people homeschool horribly. But I don't think that just because those people do it doesn't mean that homeschooling itself is horrible. It needs regulation. One advantage of home schooling is that grounding can be a lot more effective than detention, and you could ground your child for purposefully skipping out on schoolwork to play games. EDIT: I should also point out that location has a lot to do with the types of homeschoolers you see. Live your state's bible bracelet? Better expect to see a lot of fundie homeschoolers. Live in an area with a lot of churches and a school that teaches evolution? Better expect to see a lot of fundie homeschoolers. And so forth. |
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Post by yojetak on Sept 13, 2009 18:56:40 GMT -5
THE PERCENTAGE WAS FROM JESUS CAMP THE MOVIE.
If you're calling me a liar, you're calling them liarzzzzzzzzz.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Sept 13, 2009 20:33:53 GMT -5
THE PERCENTAGE WAS FROM JESUS CAMP THE MOVIE. If you're calling me a liar, you're calling them liarzzzzzzzzz. My sarcasm detector is broken. Are you being serious here or just going "lawl"? |
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Post by yojetak on Sept 13, 2009 21:18:34 GMT -5
THE PERCENTAGE WAS FROM JESUS CAMP THE MOVIE. If you're calling me a liar, you're calling them liarzzzzzzzzz. My sarcasm detector is broken. Are you being serious here or just going "lawl"? It is from the movie. I just was reading too many fundie threads today. The way people speak rubs off on me. Also crack. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Sept 14, 2009 2:35:02 GMT -5
My sarcasm detector is broken. Are you being serious here or just going "lawl"? It is from the movie. I just was reading too many fundie threads today. The way people speak rubs off on me. Also crack. Let's see, a documentary that sets out to expose the problems within a hyperfundamentalist "organization" is not an unbiased documentary, although they deserve a medal for what they exposed. However, crossing into the realm of homeschooling of which there is a lot of prejudice AGAINST it due to the loud spoken fundies... and carrying that bias... statistics are so easy to mess up. I'm not saying that they did anything intentional, but statistics about society generally contain a degree of inaccuracy simply due to the fickle human nature. Believe me, I'm sitting here with a high possibility to graduate with honors and to see people mock homeschoolers or continue the prejudice. Again, let's operate on the assumption that the statistic is perfectly accurate. So what? Not all evangelicals are raving lunatics who only use the Bible as a textbook. Hell, not all evangelicals are even stupid (religious beliefs aside). My mother used all kinds of textbooks from all kinds of sources. I learned about history through eclectic ways, but in ways that made me enjoy it for the most part. Historical fiction may be fiction, but it says a lot about the current understanding of the society, and we built upon my understand of history from that. One of my favorite books was the "Golden Goblet". Sure, we read from the bible every school day, but that made up a small percentage of the time I spent learning other things. So yes, intelligent people DO homeschool. The statistic is something of a red herring in that aspect. |
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