Post by tygerarmy on Sept 24, 2009 9:26:27 GMT -5
Warning this is long
Part of me died this morning/last night.
As some of you may know up until not to long along I was a family of one, no parents, grandparents, etc I have an uncle and his family who are all idiots and and Aunt and her family who I am close with. And then my two-half sisters found me on the internet.
I knew that my sisters were really religious. That didn't bother me at all. But I was talking with the older one who has started her first year of college. Asking her how her Calc class was going, etc. When she mentioned she was a "Jesus freak.' Now I know she goes to church all the time and is involved in church youth organizations and that's cool, she's giving back to her community and helping others. So I ask what makes her a Jesus freak and she says all the ways God is involved in her life. Again nothing crazy. She says she should have gone to a Christian college because their is too much temptation at her college. I said it would be the same anywhere. She agreed and says she has these two Muslim friends who help keep her out of trouble. I say that's cool and then from the way the conversation was I asked the question
"Do/can non-believers go to heaven?"
And she said "No"
"Will a person who is otherwise good but has not accepted Jesus go to hell" and she said "Yes."
I ask about Gays and they go to hell too.
I lost God because I can't see God as all loving and there being Hell as both true. If their is a God and if God is all loving there is no Hell.
So I ask about babies? She said no. This is a contradiction.
I asked about people who don't know of god, she came to the conclusion of yes because everyone knows of god. I said than babies go to hell.
I asked about the bible being the word of God. It is. I pointed out some of the contradictions. She said a lot of people who didn't read the bible said that. I pointed out that I have read the Bible, Torah and Qur'an front to back. And she dropped that.
I talked about original sin and how Adam and Eve didn't know what sin was and how could a loving God punish them for that. And she said they were adults they should no better. I kept saying they didn't. After several circular arguments. I said I am going to hell.
I stated facts. I have taken the Blasphemy Challenge I have publicly denounced the lord, holy spirit, God, Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, etc.
Even if God forgave me that if there is one person in hell than I refuse to go to heaven. They need a battle buddy and I can not be eternally blissful while others suffer.
She spoke of God's forgiveness. I pointed out God has conditions where as I do not. This went in circles for a while, people have a choice, worship me or go to hell is not a choice, etc.
She asked why I would want to go to hell. With lier's, killers and thieves. I asked if our sister slept with her husband, she's not married in a yet hypothetical future, would she forgive her. She said she would have to she is commanded to. What if she killed him? Again yes. If a stranger did? Yes. Then why can't God?
Eventually she resorted to I hope you find God and I'll pray for you. There was also part earlier in which she said if their is no God life has no meaning and we have no purpose I pointed out the logic fails their that life would have more purpose. And we talked about suicides and she said the devil fooled them. And I asked about people who beg for God's help saying they can't take it and they're going to kill themselves. To which she responded our younger sister attempted suicide and God saved her.
It's not going to change that I care for her but knowing that at least one of my sisters believes almost the whole world is going to hell greatly depresses me.
Part of me died this morning/last night.
As some of you may know up until not to long along I was a family of one, no parents, grandparents, etc I have an uncle and his family who are all idiots and and Aunt and her family who I am close with. And then my two-half sisters found me on the internet.
I knew that my sisters were really religious. That didn't bother me at all. But I was talking with the older one who has started her first year of college. Asking her how her Calc class was going, etc. When she mentioned she was a "Jesus freak.' Now I know she goes to church all the time and is involved in church youth organizations and that's cool, she's giving back to her community and helping others. So I ask what makes her a Jesus freak and she says all the ways God is involved in her life. Again nothing crazy. She says she should have gone to a Christian college because their is too much temptation at her college. I said it would be the same anywhere. She agreed and says she has these two Muslim friends who help keep her out of trouble. I say that's cool and then from the way the conversation was I asked the question
"Do/can non-believers go to heaven?"
And she said "No"
"Will a person who is otherwise good but has not accepted Jesus go to hell" and she said "Yes."
I ask about Gays and they go to hell too.
I lost God because I can't see God as all loving and there being Hell as both true. If their is a God and if God is all loving there is no Hell.
So I ask about babies? She said no. This is a contradiction.
I asked about people who don't know of god, she came to the conclusion of yes because everyone knows of god. I said than babies go to hell.
I asked about the bible being the word of God. It is. I pointed out some of the contradictions. She said a lot of people who didn't read the bible said that. I pointed out that I have read the Bible, Torah and Qur'an front to back. And she dropped that.
I talked about original sin and how Adam and Eve didn't know what sin was and how could a loving God punish them for that. And she said they were adults they should no better. I kept saying they didn't. After several circular arguments. I said I am going to hell.
I stated facts. I have taken the Blasphemy Challenge I have publicly denounced the lord, holy spirit, God, Jesus, Allah, Yahweh, etc.
Even if God forgave me that if there is one person in hell than I refuse to go to heaven. They need a battle buddy and I can not be eternally blissful while others suffer.
She spoke of God's forgiveness. I pointed out God has conditions where as I do not. This went in circles for a while, people have a choice, worship me or go to hell is not a choice, etc.
She asked why I would want to go to hell. With lier's, killers and thieves. I asked if our sister slept with her husband, she's not married in a yet hypothetical future, would she forgive her. She said she would have to she is commanded to. What if she killed him? Again yes. If a stranger did? Yes. Then why can't God?
Eventually she resorted to I hope you find God and I'll pray for you. There was also part earlier in which she said if their is no God life has no meaning and we have no purpose I pointed out the logic fails their that life would have more purpose. And we talked about suicides and she said the devil fooled them. And I asked about people who beg for God's help saying they can't take it and they're going to kill themselves. To which she responded our younger sister attempted suicide and God saved her.
It's not going to change that I care for her but knowing that at least one of my sisters believes almost the whole world is going to hell greatly depresses me.
