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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 16, 2009 16:22:05 GMT -5
On Thursday the House Ways and Means committee made the changes needed to it's health care reform legislation so that it could be passed by a reconciliation vote in the Senate.
That means the Democrats will not need 60 votes, but only 51, if they choose to go that route. The Party of No may get totally steamed rolled even without all the Democrats in support.
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Sorry for the FoxNews link....
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Post by skyfire on Oct 16, 2009 16:42:28 GMT -5
The risk, however, is that if they do go "reconciliation" and pass everything that way they risk giving the GOP and the moderate Democrats all the ammo they would need for a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!" counter-offensive wherein they paint the liberal Democrats as being power-hungry or insensitive to the voice of the populace.
On top of that, if the health care "reforms" prove controversial or somehow blow up in the nation's face, the liberal Democrats won't have the moderates or the GOP to scapegoat.
They'd better be willing to deal with the fallout if they're looking to go that far.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Oct 16, 2009 16:56:40 GMT -5
The risk, however, is that if they do go "reconciliation" and pass everything that way they risk giving the GOP and the moderate Democrats all the ammo they would need for a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!" counter-offensive wherein they paint the liberal Democrats as being power-hungry or insensitive to the voice of the populace. But the voice of the populace is a public option. |
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Post by A. Sapien on Oct 16, 2009 17:06:13 GMT -5
The risk, however, is that if they do go "reconciliation" and pass everything that way they risk giving the GOP and the moderate Democrats all the ammo they would need for a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!" counter-offensive wherein they paint the liberal Democrats as being power-hungry or insensitive to the voice of the populace. But the voice of the populace is a public option. That's unpossible, the populace is made up of Americans. And as we all know, Americans come in two varieties. Real™ and Fake, and you can only count Real™ Americans in that case. |
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Post by yojetak on Oct 16, 2009 17:10:47 GMT -5
The risk, however, is that if they do go "reconciliation" and pass everything that way they risk giving the GOP and the moderate Democrats all the ammo they would need for a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!" counter-offensive wherein they paint the liberal Democrats as being power-hungry or insensitive to the voice of the populace. But the voice of the populace is a public option. Dont worry, the people who benefit from this will be telling the government to "get off my public option" in a few years time. |
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Post by Paradox on Oct 16, 2009 18:30:46 GMT -5
The risk, however, is that if they do go "reconciliation" and pass everything that way they risk giving the GOP and the moderate Democrats all the ammo they would need for a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!" counter-offensive wherein they paint the liberal Democrats as being power-hungry or insensitive to the voice of the populace. Fuck the GOP. They never cared about any of that when they were in power. We WON. That means we get to do what WE WANT. We have a majority in the house, a supermajority in the senate, a popular president and polls consistently show that a substantial majority of Americans support universal health care. This is the best chance we have ever had to make meaningful health care reform happen. If we blow it, we deserve to loose seats in 2010. |
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 16, 2009 19:59:31 GMT -5
The risk, however, is that if they do go "reconciliation" and pass everything that way they risk giving the GOP and the moderate Democrats all the ammo they would need for a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!" counter-offensive wherein they paint the liberal Democrats as being power-hungry or insensitive to the voice of the populace. On top of that, if the health care "reforms" prove controversial or somehow blow up in the nation's face, the liberal Democrats won't have the moderates or the GOP to scapegoat. They'd better be willing to deal with the fallout if they're looking to go that far. The Dems will be far more hurt if no reform or weak reform is passed. ...........and this option never hurt the GOP. |
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Post by ltfred on Oct 16, 2009 21:10:56 GMT -5
The very idea that the creation of a ethical, rational health rationing system supported by 3/4 of the population and that will save tens of billions dollars that has been sought by the Dems for three generations could be a political minus because nine people didn't vote for it is absurd.
Nobody cares about procedure. People care about results.
That's not to say that the Democrats should do it without breaking a fillibuster. I think a fillibuster could be a useful way of disciplining the nominal democrats. I think it could also be an effective way of humiliating the Crazy and Evil wings of the Republican party among their media, prerhaps even turning the two factions against each other. Electorally, that wouldn't be so important. But generationally, it's vital that the Democrats break Republican reflexive partisanship, break their control over the media, break their links with the base and destroy their coalition's integrity.
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 16, 2009 21:46:43 GMT -5
The risk, however, is that if they do go "reconciliation" and pass everything that way they risk giving the GOP and the moderate Democrats all the ammo they would need for a "SEE! WE TOLD YOU SO!" counter-offensive wherein they paint the liberal Democrats as being power-hungry or insensitive to the voice of the populace. On top of that, if the health care "reforms" prove controversial or somehow blow up in the nation's face, the liberal Democrats won't have the moderates or the GOP to scapegoat. They'd better be willing to deal with the fallout if they're looking to go that far. You mean the GOP hasn't been doing that already with all the evil socialist commie no birth certificate tea bagger bullshit? Yeeeeah, this won't do a damned thing but piss the retards* off more than before. So fuck the GOP and fuck their rabid supporters in my opinion *I did not intend to lower mentally handicapped people to the level of Republican with that term |
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Post by Old Viking on Oct 17, 2009 15:30:28 GMT -5
Any bill that gets through both houses -- whatever the subject -- is going to a cauldron of boiling snot in any event.
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Post by Haseen on Oct 18, 2009 18:01:00 GMT -5
In other words, the exact same tactic the Republicans used when they were in control, except it's now a bad thing because the Democrats are using it. Even worse, to help all the people instead of just a select few.
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