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Post by scienceisgreen on Nov 9, 2009 23:20:04 GMT -5
I thought it was- get health insurance period or pay a fine, there is no stipulation that I've seen that says it has to have a premium that high (that's insane by the way for ANY premium so I smell BS)
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Post by wattsaman on Nov 10, 2009 0:49:15 GMT -5
And yet, somewhere, there are a group of self-styled "progressives" who are just as butthurt as the GOP right now because it's not enough for them.
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Post by wattsaman on Nov 10, 2009 0:53:31 GMT -5
modified to add: Anecdotally, any of my friends who have visited the States lately have been questioned by the locals about our health system. They seem quite surprised that a) our taxes include all the health care costs b) we aren't murdering old people c) we can pick our doctors (within reason). Which calls to mind the previous statements about how full of misinformation a portion of America is. They're told, day in and day out by Fox and Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck and all the rest of these shit-spewing talking heads, that Canada has endless lines for healthcare and people just drop dead because it's so very, very terrible. They'll believe what they're told to believe. I'm surprised they don't just call your friends elderly-murderers and try to lynch them right then and there with the amount of goddamned mindless fearmongering going on these days.
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Post by discoberry on Nov 10, 2009 9:07:07 GMT -5
This Canadian is trying to puzzle out why there is so much objection to universal medicare in the States. The charming folks at Rapture Ready are just about tearing their hair out, but I can't really figure out what their problem is. One woman seems to be convinced that her disabled daughter will not get health care any more. Others seem to think it is going to cost them $15,000/year. Since the premium I read is 2.9%, your family income would have to be over 500,000 to pay that. What is the big deal? Can one of you explain it? Don't you know that all your Canadian countrymen are flocking across the border for medical treatment in the US? And that if you need your Gallbladder removed you stand a 108% chance of dying waiting to have it done? And worst of all...You cannot have whatever medical test you want whenever you want, despite the cost to people who are not susceptible to the latest medical fads (e.g. full body scans) advertised reported on the nightly news' medical report?
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Post by rookie on Nov 10, 2009 9:21:37 GMT -5
Don't you know that all your Canadian countrymen are flocking across the border for medical treatment in the US? And that if you need your Gallbladder removed you stand a 108% chance of dying waiting to have it done? And worst of all...You cannot have whatever medical test you want whenever you want, despite the cost to people who are not susceptible to the latest medical fads (e.g. full body scans) advertised reported on the nightly news' medical report? Sure you're not thinking of England? The country where people will droop dead of impacted wisdom teeth because there's only like 5 doctors for the country and they can only do certain procedures and they can only prescribe Motrin because the government won't let them use the life-saving drugs and etc.
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Post by mrsyoungie on Nov 10, 2009 18:03:30 GMT -5
Yeah, those are the stories. We, on the other hand, hear mostly the Michael Moore side of the US health care and I suspect the truth is just as distorted on both sides. I'll give you a truth though about the Canadian system. I had cancer 4 years ago. My only wait time was for the specialist, because I wanted to see the best guy and he was booked solid. Once I saw him things moved quite quickly. I had a scope booked, saw a surgeon and had my surgery within a month. I started chemo 6 or 7 weeks after that - which is the optimal timing. Out of pocket? nothing. Oh, sorry, I had to pay 15% of some of my prescriptions. The most expensive ones were all covered. So my out of pocket was under $100 for everything. So how is this a bad thing for Americans?
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Post by Vene on Nov 10, 2009 18:12:21 GMT -5
Because it's communism.
From what I can tell, the US is a nation with first world wealth and a third world mentality. It's the only way I can explain the dogmatic religion, the massive military, the lack of social services (including health care), and anti-intellectualism.
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Post by Mira on Nov 10, 2009 18:13:38 GMT -5
Yeah, those are the stories. We, on the other hand, hear mostly the Michael Moore side of the US health care and I suspect the truth is just as distorted on both sides. I'll give you a truth though about the Canadian system. I had cancer 4 years ago. My only wait time was for the specialist, because I wanted to see the best guy and he was booked solid. Once I saw him things moved quite quickly. I had a scope booked, saw a surgeon and had my surgery within a month. I started chemo 6 or 7 weeks after that - which is the optimal timing. Out of pocket? nothing. Oh, sorry, I had to pay 15% of some of my prescriptions. The most expensive ones were all covered. So my out of pocket was under $100 for everything. So how is this a bad thing for Americans? We'll have to raise taxes on the rich! The people who care nothing for us, yet the teabaggers seem to adore.
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Post by booley on Nov 10, 2009 20:19:55 GMT -5
Well by afford, are they talking income afford, or what the people actually have afford. I mean i bring home 300 to 400 a week and sometimes it just barely covers the week I believe it is a certain % of you gross income, with subsidies for many. Which would seem to screw over the self employed. I never see over half of my gross.
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Post by discoberry on Nov 10, 2009 20:49:28 GMT -5
Yeah, those are the stories. We, on the other hand, hear mostly the Michael Moore side of the US health care and I suspect the truth is just as distorted on both sides. I'll give you a truth though about the Canadian system. I had cancer 4 years ago. My only wait time was for the specialist, because I wanted to see the best guy and he was booked solid. Once I saw him things moved quite quickly. I had a scope booked, saw a surgeon and had my surgery within a month. I started chemo 6 or 7 weeks after that - which is the optimal timing. Out of pocket? nothing. Oh, sorry, I had to pay 15% of some of my prescriptions. The most expensive ones were all covered. So my out of pocket was under $100 for everything. So how is this a bad thing for Americans? Well look at you now cancer boy... they may have made you "better", however now you have a locater microchip in you, your guns got taken away, you can't afford to be rich, and all those rich Canadians that could of created jobs can't because they have to take care of you when ur sick cause you don't wanna work extra to pay for REAL health coverage. And the only reason you speak in favor of it is because Pierre Trudeau spoke to your grade school and indoctrinated you. (that was my Sarah Palin rant how did you like it and did I leave anything out)
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 10, 2009 22:52:38 GMT -5
Yeah, those are the stories. We, on the other hand, hear mostly the Michael Moore side of the US health care and I suspect the truth is just as distorted on both sides. I'll give you a truth though about the Canadian system. I had cancer 4 years ago. My only wait time was for the specialist, because I wanted to see the best guy and he was booked solid. Once I saw him things moved quite quickly. I had a scope booked, saw a surgeon and had my surgery within a month. I started chemo 6 or 7 weeks after that - which is the optimal timing. Out of pocket? nothing. Oh, sorry, I had to pay 15% of some of my prescriptions. The most expensive ones were all covered. So my out of pocket was under $100 for everything. So how is this a bad thing for Americans? Well look at you now cancer boy... they may have made you "better", however now you have a locater microchip in you, your guns got taken away, you can't afford to be rich, and all those rich Canadians that could of created jobs can't because they have to take care of you when ur sick cause you don't wanna work extra to pay for REAL health coverage. And the only reason you speak in favor of it is because Pierre Trudeau spoke to your grade school and indoctrinated you. (that was my Sarah Palin rant how did you like it and did I leave anything out) I couldn't tell if you were sarcastic or not until I read the parentheses at the end. I'd say you did a pretty good job.
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Post by dasfuchs on Nov 10, 2009 22:57:36 GMT -5
Yeah, those are the stories. We, on the other hand, hear mostly the Michael Moore side of the US health care and I suspect the truth is just as distorted on both sides. I'll give you a truth though about the Canadian system. I had cancer 4 years ago. My only wait time was for the specialist, because I wanted to see the best guy and he was booked solid. Once I saw him things moved quite quickly. I had a scope booked, saw a surgeon and had my surgery within a month. I started chemo 6 or 7 weeks after that - which is the optimal timing. Out of pocket? nothing. Oh, sorry, I had to pay 15% of some of my prescriptions. The most expensive ones were all covered. So my out of pocket was under $100 for everything. So how is this a bad thing for Americans? Because it's not the "Conservative American" way. The same way that says if it happens to you, you deserved it, victims of rape were asking for it, poor people are poor because they choose to be, etc.
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Post by discoberry on Nov 10, 2009 23:49:13 GMT -5
Well look at you now cancer boy... they may have made you "better", however now you have a locater microchip in you, your guns got taken away, you can't afford to be rich, and all those rich Canadians that could of created jobs can't because they have to take care of you when ur sick cause you don't wanna work extra to pay for REAL health coverage. And the only reason you speak in favor of it is because Pierre Trudeau spoke to your grade school and indoctrinated you. (that was my Sarah Palin rant how did you like it and did I leave anything out) I couldn't tell if you were sarcastic or not until I read the parentheses at the end. I'd say you did a pretty good job. Yeah you thought I wouldn't know who Pierre Trudeau was did ya?
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Post by booley on Nov 11, 2009 0:29:55 GMT -5
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Post by chad sexington on Nov 11, 2009 1:37:47 GMT -5
(that was my Sarah Palin rant how did you like it and did I leave anything out) nt enuff speling erras
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