Wompatti
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The Eternal Wombat of Doom
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Post by Wompatti on Nov 20, 2009 11:58:54 GMT -5
After a little search, I didn't find any threads on this. PLease move if this is in the wrong place. news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stmI read another article, on a Finnish news website, that said that the hacker found some e-mails which said that they had altered some earlier studies on climate change so that they fit the current evidence. Not sure if that made any sense. Does anyone else have anything on the subject? |
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Post by Vene on Nov 20, 2009 17:44:05 GMT -5
This is just bloody stupid, the data is published so that anybody can look at it. Not to mention there is every incentive for other scientists to expose others as frauds. Yes, there are those who fabricate data, they're found out, they're discredited, their scientific careers are over. Not to mention the vast number of studies and scientific organizations that say global warming is true. For it to be false from fabricated date, that would require a massive conspiracy.
Those who deny it just follow another form of pseudoscience, no difference in tactics than creationists, homeopathy, HIV denialists, and anti-vaccinationists.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Nov 20, 2009 23:26:57 GMT -5
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Post by Vene on Nov 20, 2009 23:35:24 GMT -5
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Post by Mira on Nov 21, 2009 3:48:48 GMT -5
My brother works in atmospheric research. He denies and changes topics when faced with questions of data cover-ups. WHAT IS HE HIDING???
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Post by Sigmaleph on Nov 21, 2009 13:22:05 GMT -5
A corpse. Nothing to be worried about.
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Post by kristine on Nov 21, 2009 13:57:04 GMT -5
My brother works in atmospheric research. He denies and changes topics when faced with questions of data cover-ups. WHAT IS HE HIDING??? Proof of alien abduction sanctioned by the government for the purposes of gene-manipulation research. He can see the ships coming through the atmosphere in his research but can't tell anyone as the government has made him sign an agreement. Yeah,  Maybe he just doesn't like talking to you about work. |
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Post by Undecided on Nov 22, 2009 4:49:11 GMT -5
This was my first thought exactly when I read about this incident in the papers. In my experience, the only way in which a "trick" is sneaky is that it decomposes a seemingly difficult issue into something very simple. All of the examples cited in the article just seemed to be the usual chatter between scientists. |
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Post by wackadoodle on Nov 22, 2009 13:18:40 GMT -5
I notice most of the 'incriminating' quotes become much more mundane when you include the paragraphs above and below them. Its almost like hackers aren't the most ethical people and only chopped out the juiciest bits so they could watch people go apeshit over them.
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Post by Sigmaleph on Nov 22, 2009 17:02:01 GMT -5
It's all a cover up, y'know. Who are you going to believe, those evil scientists who have a lot to lose and not much to gain from faking evidence, or the heroic hackers that don't have a clue on climate research and have no reason to be honest?
The answer is, of course, "whoever agrees with my preconceived ideas about the subject"
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Nov 23, 2009 0:05:52 GMT -5
A corpse. Nothing to be worried about. Oh, but it is. It's not just any corpse...it's the preserved corpse of Jimmy Hoffa!  |
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Post by mice34 on Nov 23, 2009 15:14:48 GMT -5
Speaking of conspiracy theories, I wonder which oil company paid that hacker to do that just in time for Copenhagen press.
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Post by Distind on Nov 23, 2009 15:52:18 GMT -5
This was my first thought exactly when I read about this incident in the papers. In my experience, the only way in which a "trick" is sneaky is that it decomposes a seemingly difficult issue into something very simple. All of the examples cited in the article just seemed to be the usual chatter between scientists. People seem to forget that scientists are people. They think they all sound like the high school science textbook they avoided reading at all costs. |
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Post by szaleniec on Nov 25, 2009 13:02:32 GMT -5
This was my first thought exactly when I read about this incident in the papers. In my experience, the only way in which a "trick" is sneaky is that it decomposes a seemingly difficult issue into something very simple. All of the examples cited in the article just seemed to be the usual chatter between scientists. People seem to forget that scientists are people. They think they all sound like the high school science textbook they avoided reading at all costs. Yep. The reality is that scientists are probably the greatest source of Sophisticated As Hell (warning: TV Tropes link) in the world. Also, I'm not entirely surprised this happened where it did. Take it from a sometime affiliate of the UEA that their computer security sucks. |
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Post by Vene on Nov 25, 2009 17:20:43 GMT -5
Yep. The reality is that scientists are probably the greatest source of Sophisticated As Hell (warning: TV Tropes link) in the world. When you consider that scientists are educated and often arrogant assholes, I'd say that fits. |
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