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Post by Old Viking on Jan 20, 2010 18:08:51 GMT -5
Take my word for it. Administrations and political majorities come and go, but nothing really changes. Almost without exception our Congressmen (and women) are venal, self-serving butt orifices with no regard for the public.
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Post by wurdulac on Jan 20, 2010 20:19:32 GMT -5
While bitching about it is fun and all, I'm much more interested in ways we can *fix* it.
Is there even anything we can do to improve the situation?
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Post by Vene on Jan 20, 2010 21:36:56 GMT -5
Yeah, remind the Dems they're still in the majority.
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Post by scienceisgreen on Jan 20, 2010 22:37:04 GMT -5
Not like it matters when we had Joe Droopy Lieberman playing republican in democrat's clothing
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Post by Oriet on Jan 20, 2010 22:38:37 GMT -5
While bitching about it is fun and all, I'm much more interested in ways we can *fix* it. Is there even anything we can do to improve the situation? Aside from a full out revolution or being conquered by another country? Probably just doing your darndest to get into politics, form a party, get elected to small positions, slowly build your base and get elected to higher positions, until eventually the new generations are comfortable with your party to vote into positions that actually have any amount of power over policies, so that the next generation is used to you having such power and votes you into top offices where the party can actually make the changes they set out to do, all the while not becoming the same as the power hungry (which you'd have to be to accomplish the goal), personal profiteering (which you need to campaign) politicians we currently have.
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Post by the sandman on Jan 20, 2010 22:48:47 GMT -5
The moment actual "negotiations" with Lieberman and his Republitard buddies began, I lost all hope of meaningful reform. I am 100% for real, meaningful, radical reform to the health care system, starting with the abolishment of the current insurance system and ending with the establishment of nationalized health care, but I am opposed to this bill. Not because I am opposed to health care reform, but because this bill is NOT health care reform. It is a bad bill.
And it's pretty much Smilin' Joe Lieberman & The Republican's fault.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Jan 20, 2010 23:13:26 GMT -5
But of course, they'll blame it on the Democrats, despite having forced them into that situation in the first place.
It's like pushing someone's face into a pile of shit and then beating them with a baseball bat because they smell like shit.
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Post by stormwarden on Jan 20, 2010 23:43:02 GMT -5
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Post by Aqualung on Jan 20, 2010 23:46:47 GMT -5
Well paint me purple, the republican has a heart. Seriously though, this will either be good, or the other Repubs will flay him and label him a traitor. :/
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Post by Paradox on Jan 20, 2010 23:48:41 GMT -5
With regards to filibusters, I did a little research and I came to the conclusion that the American political system is staggeringly unsuited to dealing with filibusters. I have nothing else to add, I just like insulting America. One of the problems with filibusters is that back in the seventies they changed the rules. Before you actually had to put work into a filibuster. You had to have someone constantly up on the floor, talking. Didn't matter what they said, anything would do. But then they changed it. Now all you have to do is say, "we're filibustering" and then knock off for lunch. It's way to easy.
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Post by ironbite on Jan 21, 2010 1:13:28 GMT -5
So if Brown does go against the party line.....how'd he get the Republican nom in the first place?
Ironbite-seriouslly...how?
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Post by m52nickerson on Jan 21, 2010 5:33:10 GMT -5
So if Brown does go against the party line.....how'd he get the Republican nom in the first place? Ironbite-seriouslly...how? It was Massachusetts.....plus he campaigned as the 41st vote on the health care bill.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Jan 21, 2010 7:20:38 GMT -5
So if Brown does go against the party line.....how'd he get the Republican nom in the first place? Ironbite-seriously...how? Probably the same way David Souter got the nod from the elder President Bush to sit on the Supreme Court. Souter largely kept his head down and stayed out of the way of major controversy. The Bush administration saw this as a good thing, and appointed him in hopes of getting a like-minded conservative on the Court without too much of a battle in the Senate. Of course, history shows us that what Bush wanted in Justice Souter is definitely not what he and his fellow conservatives actually got. "Stealth candidacy" does work if it's done right.
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Post by warriorofgod on Jan 21, 2010 8:16:35 GMT -5
The problem is now Brown has to prove himself. If he dosent do what MA elected him to do, if he dosent offer new ideas or work with people on the Hill then I think buyers remorse will set in very quickly. However if Brown shows that he is sincere and isnt just a typical republican then he and MA will get along fine.
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Post by Paradox on Jan 21, 2010 10:17:07 GMT -5
It would certainly make sense for Brown to cooperate. He could get some major concessions for his state if he does. And it's not like Massachusetts would vote him out of office for being pro-healthcare.
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