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Post by big_electron on Feb 10, 2010 0:05:15 GMT -5
There are lots of things that are part of pop Christianity that aren't in the Bible.
Some favorite examples are that Lucifer and Satan are the same person, masturbation is sin (the Bible doesn't mention masturbation in any way)
You could argue that meeting the Lord is the day we die, no one knows the day or hour... of their own death. Judgment Day is the day you die. The Bible does not explicitly say that the Judgment will be all at once.
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Post by Mira on Feb 10, 2010 0:46:36 GMT -5
Evangelical Xians have an enormous amount of non-biblical dogma. Most of the tribulation business was conceived by 19th century American theologians.
Another bit of dogma: bible mentions absolutely nothing about abortion, actually implies that a foetus is not a living human being.
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Post by John E on Feb 10, 2010 0:52:37 GMT -5
Another bit of dogma: bible mentions absolutely nothing about abortion, actually implies that a foetus is not a living human being. Yup. According to the OT: Kill a grown human = get put to death Cause a woman to miscarry (kill a fetus) = monetary fine It's a bad thing, but it's not the same as murder. More on par with stealing a goat.
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Post by Haseen on Feb 10, 2010 3:02:42 GMT -5
The masturbation thing came from Onan. Onan's brother died before his wife had a baby, and the cultural norm was for the brother to marry her and have a baby in his name. Onan got stuck with this duty, and would pull out early to prevent her pregnancy. He was punished for refusing to follow the rule. Masturbation had nothing to do with it, but since when do fundies care about a story's intended message?
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Post by ostravan on Feb 10, 2010 6:53:52 GMT -5
Evangelical Xians have an enormous amount of non-biblical dogma. Most of the tribulation business was conceived by 19th century American theologians. Another bit of dogma: bible mentions absolutely nothing about abortion, actually implies that a foetus is not a living human being. Right on both counts. Revelation was originally written by an insane hermit stranded on an island. This island I should add is famous for its' hallucinagenic mushrooms which the locals make into a tea to this very day. Two cups of this gives one the instant DT's. Revelation was added to the Goat Sodomisers Guide holy bible some 300 years later with the express intention of frightening the sheep people into towing the line.
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Post by Amaranth on Feb 10, 2010 8:41:28 GMT -5
The masturbation thing came from Onan. Onan's brother died before his wife had a baby, and the cultural norm was for the brother to marry her and have a baby in his name. Onan got stuck with this duty, and would pull out early to prevent her pregnancy. He was punished for refusing to follow the rule. Masturbation had nothing to do with it, but since when do fundies care about a story's intended message? Is that the "spilling his seed" deal? I'm a bit rusty on the Bible, and I don't remember Onan specifically.
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Post by Spark on Feb 10, 2010 9:58:00 GMT -5
The masturbation thing came from Onan. Onan's brother died before his wife had a baby, and the cultural norm was for the brother to marry her and have a baby in his name. Onan got stuck with this duty, and would pull out early to prevent her pregnancy. He was punished for refusing to follow the rule. Masturbation had nothing to do with it, but since when do fundies care about a story's intended message? Is that the "spilling his seed" deal? I'm a bit rusty on the Bible, and I don't remember Onan specifically. That's the one.
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Post by Amaranth on Feb 10, 2010 10:40:30 GMT -5
Yeah, my understanding of that story had nothing to do with masturbation being bad.
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Post by rookie on Feb 10, 2010 11:56:10 GMT -5
C'mon now, people. Christianity doesn't necessarily have to do with the bible. It's like trying to watch the third Matrix movie in context with the other two.
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Post by captainhooker on Feb 10, 2010 12:13:33 GMT -5
Yeah, my understanding of that story had nothing to do with masturbation being bad. well - I always jack off a little when I pull out, so maybe there's something to it
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Post by caseagainstfaith on Feb 10, 2010 12:49:39 GMT -5
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Post by Sigmaleph on Feb 10, 2010 15:17:23 GMT -5
Another bit of dogma: bible mentions absolutely nothing about abortion, actually implies that a foetus is not a living human being. The abortion thing comes from (or is rationalised by) Jeremiah 1:5, which says "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." The argument goes that since God chose Jeremiah before he was born, then surely a foetus is a person. Of course, they ignore that God also said that he knew (or chose) Jeremiah before he was even in the womb, so basically God was speaking of destiny/foresight, not the value of life before birth. There are also some verses that speak of giving the breath of life, implying that someone wasn't considered alive until they took their first breath.
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Post by Mira on Feb 10, 2010 16:10:21 GMT -5
I believe the free will business was invented to counter the total unethical reasoning behind god creating someone exactly as they are knowing that they would live a life doomed to go to hell. Of course, we could also go on to debate the significance of hell in the bible.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Feb 10, 2010 16:31:04 GMT -5
There are also verses where god rips open pregnant women in the bible.
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Post by Amaranth on Feb 10, 2010 17:17:18 GMT -5
There are also verses where god rips open pregnant women in the bible. Yeah, but God is a murderous bastard in the Bible. We're evidently supposed to live to higher standards. C'mon now, people. Christianity doesn't necessarily have to do with the bible. It's like trying to watch the third Matrix movie in context with the other two. You sir, win.
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