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Post by m52nickerson on Feb 20, 2010 21:51:47 GMT -5
Ron Paul won the annual CPAC straw poll over Mitt Romney and others.
2010 CPAC Straw Poll Results
Ron Paul 31%
Mitt Romney 22%
Sarah Palin 7%
Tim Pawlenty 6%
Mike Pence 5%
Newt Gingrich 4%
Mike Huckabee 4%
Mitch Daniels 2%
John Thune 2%
Rick Santorum 2%
Haley Barbour 1%
I doubt this really means that Paul is now the favorite to win the GOP nomination in 2012, but it does show that some sort of sanity may be coming back to the conservative side of politics.
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Post by Neutral Guy on Feb 20, 2010 22:01:37 GMT -5
I used to have some liking for conservatism back when they were not in favor of urinating on the constitution in the name of defending it. I look at people like my father, who has claimed to be conservative. I can see them for what they are. They are often vicious, mean spirited authoritarians who know that no one will elect them based on their real ideas, so they hide behind things like "freedom" and "responsible government".
The Neoconservatives are even worse.
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Post by Amaranth on Feb 20, 2010 23:21:58 GMT -5
BOOOOOOURNS
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Post by dasfuchs on Feb 21, 2010 0:07:47 GMT -5
Ron Paul won the annual CPAC straw poll over Mitt Romney and others. 2010 CPAC Straw Poll Results Ron Paul 31% Mitt Romney 22% Sarah Palin 7% Tim Pawlenty 6% Mike Pence 5% Newt Gingrich 4% Mike Huckabee 4% Mitch Daniels 2% John Thune 2% Rick Santorum 2% Haley Barbour 1% I doubt this really means that Paul is now the favorite to win the GOP nomination in 2012, but it does show that some sort of sanity may be coming back to the conservative side of politics. Not really, Palin supporters tend to be stupid and won't waste their time with something like this. Romney and Paul supporters, however, are good at rallying together in organized ways, as was shown by Paul supporters anyways when he came to Michigan some years back |
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Post by Whore of Spamylon on Feb 21, 2010 0:36:22 GMT -5
Wow
I totally did not see that coming.
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Post by Mira on Feb 21, 2010 1:35:08 GMT -5
The GOP has gone much more libertarian as of late. This seems to support that statement.
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Post by MaybeNever on Feb 21, 2010 1:40:56 GMT -5
The GOP has been libertarian? Citations?
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Feb 21, 2010 1:43:28 GMT -5
The GOP has gone much more libertarian as of late. This seems to support that statement. A lot of libertarians would take offense to that statement. The GOP, and the Tea Party movement by extension, are anything but liberal. The two have similarities in the economic side of things, ala low taxes and minimal government involvement in businesses and public works, but in terms of social factors like homosexuality, marriage and class equality the two are as different as night and day. The GOP want a theology, simple as that. |
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Post by Mira on Feb 21, 2010 1:50:21 GMT -5
Erm, shouldn't have said GOP. Meant to say conservatives in general. Sorry 'bout that. Exhibit A: The teabaggers.
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Post by Mira on Feb 21, 2010 1:54:01 GMT -5
The GOP has gone much more libertarian as of late. This seems to support that statement. A lot of libertarians would take offense to that statement. The GOP, and the Tea Party movement by extension, are anything but liberal. The two have similarities in the economic side of things, ala low taxes and minimal government involvement in businesses and public works, but in terms of social factors like homosexuality, marriage and class equality the two are as different as night and day. The GOP want a theology, simple as that. I am talking about American libertarians. They are more against gun control and government expansion it seems. Also, note that I said more libertarian, I didn't say they had become a libertarian group. |
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Post by MaybeNever on Feb 21, 2010 1:57:44 GMT -5
I think that the teabaggers have just given an outlet to the more insane wing of the GOP, and frankly I'm hoping they actually split off into their own party. The remaining GOP, small though it is, probably does cleave to more libertarian principles.
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Post by Amaranth on Feb 21, 2010 2:03:58 GMT -5
The GOP has gone much more libertarian as of late. This seems to support that statement. One way or another, it still tends to benefit the corporate overlords, so.... |
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Post by ltfred on Feb 21, 2010 4:15:12 GMT -5
Erm, shouldn't have said GOP. Meant to say conservatives in general. Sorry 'bout that. Exhibit A: The teabaggers. Teabaggers- torturing, warrantless wiretapping, out-bailing, gay equality dening, religious-law-enforcing, Bush-backing- teabaggers are libertarian now? Regardless, Ron Paulites are just as bad as the religious right or the neoconservatives. They just haven't been able to run federal government for a while. Look to Colorado Springs or mid 90s New Zealand to see the effects of their policy. Or, for that matter, the Bush Recession. Conservatives of any stripe have nothing really to offer anyone but their goddamn silence. |
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Post by Mira on Feb 21, 2010 4:47:11 GMT -5
No, ltfred, I would appreciate it you actually read what I said. I stated that in general they have shifted more towards the libertarian spectrum. Ron Paul being an example of an American libertarian. Economic policy is what has stood out most strongly among American libertarians, their laissez-faire capitalism. The right-wing has been big on that lately. Of course, it seems to me to be mainly reactionary towards Obama's policies. The bailout was unpopular, so of course they'd grip on to that. From there they just have to skew everything to be Obama's fault somehow (like, Obama has been in office for a year and Bush's shit-pile still isn't scooped up! Impeach him!)
This post may make sense, I don't know, I'm tired.
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Post by Neutral Guy on Feb 21, 2010 11:51:49 GMT -5
It is important to be fair here. The Tea Parties started back in 2007. Well before Obama got into office. They opposed the bailouts back in 08. Bush was still president then. Obama did nothing until January of 09. To truly criticize an opponent, one must understand what they did and stand for as best as possible.
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