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Post by The_L on Jul 6, 2010 6:31:05 GMT -5
o.o
*gives Shane an honor award for Most Improvement*
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 6, 2010 22:17:31 GMT -5
Hehe. Thanks. It was difficult but I'm happier now than I was back then.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 7, 2010 17:38:57 GMT -5
Hehe. Thanks. It was difficult but I'm happier now than I was back then. This is the kind of stuff that gives me hope for mankind. Sometimes it's tempting to just give up and accept that some people are racists, homophobes, etc., but knowing that people CAN change is enough to keep me going in the fight against prejudice.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Jul 7, 2010 18:18:40 GMT -5
Yep, people can change. They just don't WANT to, thereby making them wallow in ignorance and hatred, which really shortens your life span, don't you know?
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POSW
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Still metal, no longer Jewish
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Post by POSW on Jul 7, 2010 23:56:59 GMT -5
I was never a fundie Jew, but I actually used to admire my Orthodox relatives on both sides of my family for their commitment to God.
Actually, my uncle (on my mom's side) has really pushed away most of our family because we weren't religious enough, and the relationship between our family and his has been somewhat shaky.
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Post by Caitshidhe on Jul 8, 2010 7:35:18 GMT -5
This is a serious question for you, POSW, if you wouldn't mind answering. (If you do, then no worries. Just curious.) I've seen a lot of fundie Christians and a lot of fundie Muslims, but you don't really hear much about fundie Jewish people. (Except maybe in the Middle East.) I have to ask--exactly what are fundie Jews like? I've always thought they were fairly good people, even in the really strict Chasidic communities--not as horrifying as other brands of fundie. (You don't really hear of someone blowing up an abortion clinic in the name of the Hebrew God or protesting that the Torah finds XYZ repulsive and t should therefore be illegal.) But I don't know, and I'm pretty damn curious if you're willing to share with the class.
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Jul 8, 2010 8:46:50 GMT -5
I used to be a weird fundie. Or, rather, my old personality was one. Since I quickly figured out that most major religions were complete bullshit, so I invented my own, and using amazing powers of self-deception I actually managed to convince myself that it had existed for thousands of years. But, yeah, I was one of those fundies who was obsessed with the idea that sex=evil. I even swore an oath of celibacy, which in hindsight was a horrifyingly awful thing to do.
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Post by Alexandria on Jul 8, 2010 11:39:36 GMT -5
I used to be of the "no sex before marriage" group. Didn't last.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 8, 2010 12:05:21 GMT -5
Just curious.) I've seen a lot of fundie Christians and a lot of fundie Muslims, but you don't really hear much about fundie Jewish people. I think the lack of meddling is related to the exclusive nature of extreme orthodox groups. If you're not born into Judaism, you're not one of god's chosen people. Not only is it pointless to try to 'save' gentiles, it's also not desired because they're inferior and one should shun the cursed masses. Let them continue in their wicked ways. Unlike religions that make proselytizing a priority, Jewish sects tend to become less likely to interfere with secular politics as they become more fundamentalist. So, with Jewish fundamentalism, it's more an issue of beliefs rather than actions. That's not to say that all orthodox Jewish sects are this way, of course, let alone all Jews. It's a minority opinion, thankfully.
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Post by Phys on Jul 10, 2010 6:02:22 GMT -5
Possibly another reason there aren't many fundie Jews might be that, since fundieism is commonly associated with a militant desire for conquest, which in Christians tends to show itself as nationalism, and in Muslims as talk of dominating the country either by force or by numbers, but neither of those options are realistic for Jews, since they are a relatively static minority. You do get a reasonable number of fundie Zionists, mostly of the "Israel can do no wrong you evil anti-Semitic Nazi" type, and I wonder if the people who might otherwise become fundie Jews instead become fundie Zionists.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Jul 10, 2010 6:49:22 GMT -5
Well, the "Israel can do no wrong" belief stems from Orthodox Jewish teachings about god-given rights and whatnot, so I'd define ultra-Zionists as fundie Jews, or at least the ones that practice the Jewish faith.
Also, am I the only one who feels uncomfortable using the term "Zionist" thanks to the neo-Nazi's having hijacked it for their anti-semitism?
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Post by Whore of Spamylon on Jul 10, 2010 7:42:11 GMT -5
Growing up in a mainline protestant home, I really can't think of anything. The closest thing (which aren't even religious in nature) would be that I once was a economic libertarian and supported an aggressive foreign policy. The former went away when studying about the growing pains of early industrialization and the later when it became clear that governing power in the early stages of occupation in Iraq wasn't going to be handed over to the Iraqi people right away.
Other than that, I was once religious in a red letter context, but even early on I despised what I perceived as the hypocrisy/contradictions/double talk of self-proclaimed Christians around me.
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Post by SimSim on Jul 10, 2010 8:00:14 GMT -5
Also, am I the only one who feels uncomfortable using the term "Zionist" thanks to the neo-Nazi's having hijacked it for their anti-semitism? Not really. Just because some jackasses have tried to hijacked the word doesn't change what it means. It should be used in it's proper way to fight the changing of it.
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Post by Whore of Spamylon on Jul 10, 2010 8:15:12 GMT -5
Also, am I the only one who feels uncomfortable using the term "Zionist" thanks to the neo-Nazi's having hijacked it for their anti-semitism? Not really. Just because some jackasses have tried to hijacked the word doesn't change what it means. It should be used in it's proper way to fight the changing of it. Let's not forget to distinguish between moderate notions of Zionism and Greater Zionism. Granted, I don't think being a diaspora entitles an ethnic group to their own homeland (gypsies also died in the Holocaust and are still despised in parts of Europe today) but the former is much tamer to the later, which is mostly supported by ultra-nationalist Jews and evangelical Christians trying to self-fulfill a prophecy.
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AXavierB
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NO. WIRE. HANGERS.
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Post by AXavierB on Jul 15, 2010 5:27:20 GMT -5
My God, I'm ashamed of my fundie background. I thought all gay people were going to hell, I believed creation "science", I believed other religions shouldn't be allowed to be open about their faith in this country and I believed in the rapture so I was literally constantly looking over my shoulder to make sure my family didn't vanish.
How fucked up. I'm glad to have put that shit behind me. And as an added bonus, I turned out gay. ;D
I'm so much happier now than I was back then, which is why it pisses me off when my parents tell me the only reason I don't believe in God is because I don't want to put "effort" into believing in him, following the Bible and listening in church. Way to trivialize my feelings.
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