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Post by antichrist on Apr 6, 2009 14:50:52 GMT -5
This is the kind of mentally unstable nut case that should never have been trusted with a water pistol, let alone the AK-47 he was shooting up cops with. True, but how do you pick them out of a crowd? |
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Apr 6, 2009 14:54:08 GMT -5
This is the kind of mentally unstable nut case that should never have been trusted with a water pistol, let alone the AK-47 he was shooting up cops with. True, but how do you pick them out of a crowd? Easy. They're the shifty-eyed members of the Jodie Foster Fan Club:  |
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Post by Tiger on Apr 6, 2009 18:31:03 GMT -5
We need guns so that we can kill anyone who tries to take away our guns.
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Post by doomie 22 on Apr 6, 2009 19:10:33 GMT -5
This is the kind of mentally unstable nut case that should never have been trusted with a water pistol, let alone the AK-47 he was shooting up cops with. True, but how do you pick them out of a crowd? Part of the course one must take to get a license to carry a gun should include a psychiatric evaluation. Also, anyone with a history of mental illness and anyone who's ever been convicted of a violent crime should be barred from buying or carrying gun. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 6, 2009 19:21:59 GMT -5
I agree that laws should make sense, and I also agree that gun laws are sometimes "feel-good" and cosmetic in nature, which is not helpful at all. I don't see the need for grenades or anything that assists in launching them (however accurate or inaccurate), though. To approve something that launches grenades, however faulty and inaccurate the launch, is to give de facto approval for things that launch grenades, and that is the point of the legislation against it. It doesn't matter how accurate it is or isn't, rather what matters is the statement on what the accessory is designed to do--whether it manages to do it well or not is beside the point. But the thing is, having a grenade in the first place is a violation of federal law. It's another feel good law to toss that out there, as if anyone had a chance to get their hands on the right tools, let alone the grenade, to use it. It's a useless law that just impedes others from getting something they'd like to have, and a loophole that importers to California can use to gouge the buyers. Edit On a somewhat similar note, there is a guy that designs milled 'cups' that fit on the launcher and allow the person to launch golfballs. The BATFE issued him a letter of confirmation marking it as a recreational device. Oh those poor golfers |
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Post by Old Viking on Apr 6, 2009 20:03:13 GMT -5
I'm not terribly apprehensive about a fundy revolution. It would be akin to a revolution led by the Three Stooges. And after 24 hours they'd turn on one another to weed out those who aren't True Christians.™
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Apr 6, 2009 20:07:59 GMT -5
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Post by schizophonic on Apr 6, 2009 20:16:18 GMT -5
Well, honestly, I'd like to know how black stocks, bayonet lugs and pistol grips make a gun more deadly than it is already? You really need to be told how pistol grips and bayonets can be used to make killing more efficient? Seriously? Do we need arguments like how common the weapons in use are? Hell, for that matter, do you even have real numbers? And do you really need to resort to sky's sleazy " pick out the most inane examples from within a larger body" to make your point? |
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 6, 2009 20:26:45 GMT -5
Well, honestly, I'd like to know how black stocks, bayonet lugs and pistol grips make a gun more deadly than it is already? You really need to be told how pistol grips and bayonets can be used to make killing more efficient? Seriously? Do we need arguments like how common the weapons in use are? Hell, for that matter, do you even have real numbers? And do you really need to resort to sky's sleazy " pick out the most inane examples from within a larger body" to make your point? My whole point has been to see the insane retarded stuff in these laws that makes them rediculous. please elaborate instead of insulting, that would be a great help. I can stab someone vs shooting them from a distance now? If I was gonna go that far, a simple knife would do the trick just as well Synthetic stocks, how do they make the gun any more lethal than a common wood stock? I've heard psitol grips help steady the weapon more, I'm not sure how well that holds up, but i've always found it easy with either depending on position i.e. aiming from standing, sitting or laying. My point was never point out the flaws to knock down all regulation, my point was to point out the flaws to show why people get nervous when gun regulation comes into play and why people saw the bill as more a failure than a success. Given assault weapons count for 2-8% of gun crimes, I'd say the bill missed it's intended mark by a long shot anyways even if it cut that 2-8% down. |
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Post by fundierefugee on Apr 6, 2009 20:35:39 GMT -5
Heard that phrase before? Well, now some reality.... www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30043893/"The gunman Poplawski feared “the Obama gun ban that’s on the way” and “didn’t like our rights being infringed upon,” said Edward Perkovic, his best friend." So he donned a bulletproof vest & shot 3 police officers who were responding to a domestic disturbance call. He had recently lost his job and feared the Obama administration was poised to ban guns. I...there really are no words. I skim Rapture Ready from time to time, out of boredom mostly, and I see these same words over & over. How they're stocking up on ammo, and they've got their guns locked & loaded in case someone tries to take them away. Your thoughts? I'm a Christian and I know for a fact that not all Christians are doing such things as "stocking up", etc. If all Christians were doing that, it would be very obvious. Even if all "fundie" Christians were doing it. I also know some atheists who feel the same way and are stocked and ready to go for "the collapse", and are looking forward, albeit with trepidation due to the unknow, to the potential for an "anarchist" society. So there are definitely people who break the stereotypes on both sides, and I don't see them as rare exceptions. I think the concept of stocking up and getting ready with guns for a collapse of society is more of a right-wing idea - or fantasy - and appeals to all right-wingers alike. Obviously the fundie Christians will put a religious spin on it and the atheists will put a different ideological spin on it to justify their ideas and behaviors. Bottom line is that everyone ought to submit to the government and when they don't, they get what this Paulawski guy gets, and deservedly so. |
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Apr 6, 2009 21:23:12 GMT -5
I'm a Christian and I know for a fact that not all Christians are doing such things as "stocking up", etc. If all Christians were doing that, it would be very obvious. Even if all "fundie" Christians were doing it. I also know some atheists who feel the same way and are stocked and ready to go for "the collapse", and are looking forward, albeit with trepidation due to the unknow, to the potential for an "anarchist" society. So there are definitely people who break the stereotypes on both sides, and I don't see them as rare exceptions. I think the concept of stocking up and getting ready with guns for a collapse of society is more of a right-wing idea - or fantasy - and appeals to all right-wingers alike. Obviously the fundie Christians will put a religious spin on it and the atheists will put a different ideological spin on it to justify their ideas and behaviors. Bottom line is that everyone ought to submit to the government and when they don't, they get what this Paulawski guy gets, and deservedly so. I don't think "stocking up" is a Christian thing, or even a political thing. Unfortunately what I think is that the constant barrage of fear-mongering by the right-wing echo chamber seems to be making people like Poplawski be more prone to pull a Waco, so to speak. No, there is no direct evidence that the shooter did this because of the right wing barrage, but from what we know its a probable thing. Besides, when you're on television and you know you have influence over a significant chunk of the population, you need to be responsible over the possible actions of your words. |
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Post by brendanjd on Apr 6, 2009 21:39:44 GMT -5
My whole point has been to see the insane retarded stuff in these laws that makes them rediculous. please elaborate instead of insulting, that would be a great help. I'm ignorant of what dangers are posed by pistol grips and synthetic stocks, but bayonets are fucking deadly. My grandfather nicked one in Korea. It's a 10 inch long triangular spike, razor sharp and curved. This design ensures that a stab wound can't be closed with the equipment avaliable to a platoon medic. If you get jabbed with one, you better hope to fuck that you are near a surgon, cause he's the only guy who is gonna have the equipment and training to close a gaping, gushing bayonet wound. Here's a pic of something akin to what I'm talking about: www.ak47bayonets.com/pic/7-2006/images/00-7-15-06-088.jpg |
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Post by dasfuchs on Apr 6, 2009 22:44:57 GMT -5
My whole point has been to see the insane retarded stuff in these laws that makes them rediculous. please elaborate instead of insulting, that would be a great help. I'm ignorant of what dangers are posed by pistol grips and synthetic stocks, but bayonets are fucking deadly. My grandfather nicked one in Korea. It's a 10 inch long triangular spike, razor sharp and curved. This design ensures that a stab wound can't be closed with the equipment avaliable to a platoon medic. If you get jabbed with one, you better hope to fuck that you are near a surgon, cause he's the only guy who is gonna have the equipment and training to close a gaping, gushing bayonet wound. Here's a pic of something akin to what I'm talking about: www.ak47bayonets.com/pic/7-2006/images/00-7-15-06-088.jpgOh, believe me, I have my own collection. Two sword bayos for mausers, one with a wood handle, the other with brass grips, an Enfield spike bayo from WWII, Swiss sawback bayo for my k31, a mosin crucifix bayo, and an artillery machete. My issue wasn't they couldn't be deadly, mine was how would being on the end of a gun trump just using one with your hand? |
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Post by Paradox on Apr 6, 2009 23:10:03 GMT -5
My whole point has been to see the insane retarded stuff in these laws that makes them rediculous. please elaborate instead of insulting, that would be a great help. I'm ignorant of what dangers are posed by pistol grips and synthetic stocks, but bayonets are fucking deadly. My grandfather nicked one in Korea. It's a 10 inch long triangular spike, razor sharp and curved. This design ensures that a stab wound can't be closed with the equipment avaliable to a platoon medic. If you get jabbed with one, you better hope to fuck that you are near a surgon, cause he's the only guy who is gonna have the equipment and training to close a gaping, gushing bayonet wound. Here's a pic of something akin to what I'm talking about: www.ak47bayonets.com/pic/7-2006/images/00-7-15-06-088.jpgIt never ceases to amaze me how creative us humans are when it comes to coming up with new ways to kill people. |
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Post by antichrist on Apr 6, 2009 23:12:42 GMT -5
We need guns so that we can kill anyone who tries to take away our guns. Actually I need a gun so I can kill food. Nummy, nummy food. |
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