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Post by godlesspanther on Oct 18, 2010 23:30:19 GMT -5
What would one expect from a site called, ministryvalues.com? Sleazy fundie lies, come and get 'em: ministryvalues.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1202&Itemid=127I'll give a brief for those who do not wish to subject themselves to such inanity. The above article was written as a response to one on Huffington called, "How Religion is Killing Our Most Vulnerable Youths." The author states:
The media chooses to define my religion in the most hateful way. The media, including Bishop Robinson says I am responsible for teen suicides - we beg to differ - the blood is on the hands of Huffington Post who each day pump out copy that stokes the divisive fires of hate.So that's it, religious groups are totally innocent of homophobic bigotry and that evil liberal media has created the illusion that there is such an element in religious groups. It then follows that young gay persons committing suicide is clearly the fault of the media and fundies are also the victims because they have been so misrepresented. |
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Post by tiado on Oct 19, 2010 0:00:26 GMT -5
Yeah, it has nothing to do with religious hatred of gay people, religious freaks telling gay people that they're an affront to God, that they're an abomination, that they're evil. Yeah, that isn't what drives them to suicide, it's the media.
While that isn't entirely false, I think the religious hatred is the main cause of gay suicides. Also, isn't this the same ministry that was blaming gay support groups for gay suicides?
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Post by ltfred on Oct 19, 2010 0:18:11 GMT -5
The media is partly responsible, I suppose, in that it allows homophobic bigots and their views any air time at all. The largest portion of responsibility still rests with those bigots, though.
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Post by Julian on Oct 19, 2010 1:32:16 GMT -5
Was this guy (apart from idiotically singling out a particular paper (in a feeble attempt to shift blame) when complaining about 'the media') suggesting that America should actually man up and refuse to print, promulgate or promote hate speech?
I always thought they howled about having their right to be unmitigated asshats under freedom of speech and religion (erroneously) when the media didn't pass on their proselytisation bigotry...
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Post by ltfred on Oct 19, 2010 1:47:16 GMT -5
Was this guy ...suggesting that America should actually man up and refuse to print, promulgate or promote hate speech? Nope. He's arguing that the media doesn't print enough and is therefore discrminiating against Christians. This is known as the 'I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I' school of conservative argument in the US, extending at least as far back as the Civil War (the North is oppressing us and denying our rights!) |
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Post by Julian on Oct 19, 2010 1:56:26 GMT -5
Glad too see I'm not the only one who constantly does typos like that. "Homosexuality is still evil, but God is love sounds so much more balanced doesn't it" |
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Oct 19, 2010 5:15:21 GMT -5
Where are the offices of this grand conspiracy called The Media?
Actually, by posting their response aren't they part of teh ebil media?
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Post by Julian on Oct 19, 2010 7:00:50 GMT -5
OK, previous comments were without reading the article (hence why it was phrased as a question). To a certain extent (misplaced persecution complex aside), he was saying that the media only comments on the negative side of things (well yes, the other side is church propaganda, and not newsworthy), although, essentially, hate speech, when made by powerless, irrelevant idiots is also not newsworthy, unless its a cautionary tale pointing out the dangers of being a douchebag. His analogy does actually partially fit with the "don't publish hate speech" thing, although, (unfortunately) his problem is not the actual hate speech, but the fact it tars his crap by association. Which really does get down to the nuts of the situation. The problem firstly is media articles pointing out person X hates people of person Y's sexual persuasion does not make person Z, who shares a similar outlook to Y, suicidal. They might impact significantly on person X (but person X generally doesn't give a shit). People driven to suicide for situations like this feel ostracised from the entire community, and as much as Mr Ryan would like to think otherwise, the evangelical protestant community in particular in America is actively, rabidly and extremely homophobic, and does stigmatise homosexuality at practically every opportunity it gets, and it is the indifference or hostility of the people they are in direct contact with that cause the problems - not the press pointing out person X is an untenable twat, for looking down on person Y because he likes dick! Which comes to Mr Ryan's personal sect - the Catholic church. Now, as much as he'd like to think the Pope's all about love, when he's not actively campaigning that condom usage is a far bigger evil than dying of AIDS (which is merely the wages of sin), and that the Catholic church has had 1,700 years of violently supressing anything it viewed as heretical, until even it found it was losing ground over the matter, then it was a matter of course, and like Mr Ryan would like to pretend they never ever waged war against other Christian sects, excommunicated (condemned to eternal hellfire) everyone who had a different opinion, Islam, witchhunts, people who thought the Earth was round, people who could disprove geocentricity, the Theory of Evolution, the pagan cultures of every land they encountered etc, etc, etc. And the thing is. They eventually ended up incorporating either the entire thing, or facets of it (Islam aside). YET. And I linked this very, very, very recently. The Catholic church is still incredibly discriminatory against homosexuals (and hypocritical about pedophilic priests), and absurdly antiquated about birth control. It is their undeniable 100% official policy, and appallingly, it is not that Mr Ryan wants this reversed, he wants people to stop pointing it out! fstdt.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pg&thread=6638&page=1Does he want the Catholic church to join the 21st century? No, he wants people to stop pointing out that they refuse to! If God was love he wouldn't give two fucking shits about their innate attraction to people of the same sex as themselves, in fact he'd(  ) celebrate it. |
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Post by Thejebusfire on Oct 19, 2010 15:37:16 GMT -5
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Oct 19, 2010 16:20:59 GMT -5
The media chooses to define my religion in the most hateful way. The media, including Bishop Robinson says I am responsible for teen suicides - we beg to differ - the blood is on the hands of Huffington Post who each day pump out copy that stokes the divisive fires of hate.Yeah, my roommate's mom, who, upon discovering that her daughter's bisexual, threatened in all seriousness to kill my roommate and then herself if she ever brought a woman home, stating that she'd rather "commit a murder-suicide than to have a dyke daughter running around on this Earth" and just so happens to be a lapsed Mormon turned Protestant turned 'Jewish' (in the most limited interpretation possible--that being that she doesn't believe in Jesus anymore; she still celebrates Christmas and all other Christian-influenced holidays but picks and chooses which parts of the Old Testament (NOT THE TORAH) that she follows), didn't have her bigotry fed AT ALL by her previous pastors, her religious surroundings, her religious upbringing. Nah she just decided by herself that murder's better than having a bisexual, happy daughter. |
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Post by godlesspanther on Oct 19, 2010 19:37:46 GMT -5
Right, because religious homophobia does not exist. The whole thing was created by the media just to make religion appear hateful and bigoted.
And suicide... I know about that from Ben Stein. He talked about that horrible liberal Dr. Spock who told us not to spank our children and his son committed suicide. So suicides are the result of not spanking, Dr. Spock, and the liberal media.
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Post by Kit Walker on Oct 19, 2010 19:50:35 GMT -5
So suicides are the result of not spanking, Dr. Spock, and the liberal media. I read that as "the result of not spanking Dr. Spock" and it was a very kinky thought. Then i read it over and got disappointed. |
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Post by godlesspanther on Oct 19, 2010 21:27:08 GMT -5
So suicides are the result of not spanking, Dr. Spock, and the liberal media. I read that as "the result of not spanking Dr. Spock" and it was a very kinky thought. Then i read it over and got disappointed. LOL. That's right -- we must spank Dr. Spock in order to prevent suicides. I know it sounds superstitious if one looks and it from a cause and effect point of view. Well, perhaps it does seem rather counter-intuitive, but all the recent studies have shown that spanking Dr. Spock is the most effective suicide prevention method that we can use. Nine out of ten doctors agree (Dr. Spock himself was the single dissenting voice.) |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Oct 19, 2010 22:36:44 GMT -5
You are now thinking of a naked Spock tied to a table while leather-daddy Kirk is spanking him in the ass with a paddle.
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Post by renaissanceblonde on Oct 19, 2010 23:25:19 GMT -5
You are now thinking of a naked Spock tied to a table while leather-daddy Kirk is spanking him in the ass with a paddle. Rule #34. |
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