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Post by caseagainstfaith on Dec 8, 2010 13:06:30 GMT -5
Is it worth the money? I've been a player since vanilla WoW, but I've been hesitant to get the new expansion after I didn't like WotLK, I've also been told from friends who did get the expansion that it isn't much of a expansion game content wise yet, and that you can hit 85 in about 6-8 hours. So basically if any of you who play wow and have the new expansion is it worth the cash or better to wait on it?
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Post by tgrwulf on Dec 8, 2010 13:14:55 GMT -5
I pre-ordered it, but haven't had a chance to pick it up yet. I've heard good and bad things about it. I've only been playing for a little over a year, so I can't say how it might compare to vanilla WoW. I do plan on picking it up by the end of the week though so I can get my orc warrior up to 85.
The best good thing I've heard is that they redid the talent trees to make them much more convienent to setup.
The worst bad thing I've heard is that they absolutely nerfed the BG.
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Post by Yaezakura on Dec 8, 2010 13:25:30 GMT -5
From what I understand, Cat isn't really about adding more late-game content, but about trying to improve the horribly boring content that already existed before max level.
Because, let's be honest. In every previous WoW incarnation, if you weren't max level, you were basically wasting your time.
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Post by brainy on Dec 8, 2010 14:14:34 GMT -5
I like it okay so far. Right now there are lots of people spazzing out and basically going into rages over things like levelling and not being first, etc. I'm just sitting back and not doing a whole lot, enjoying doing things with my friends. It is a game, after all, and if a person isn't playing to have fun, I suspect that person is doing something wrong. If you're hitting 85 in 6-8 hours then you are rushing through things and skipping most of the story. I'm a lore nerd, but I don't see the point in skipping the story for the sake of getting to 85 first. And with that comment a lot of people would likely tell me that I don't belong in the World of Warcraft
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Post by tgrwulf on Dec 8, 2010 15:45:48 GMT -5
I like it okay so far. Right now there are lots of people spazzing out and basically going into rages over things like levelling and not being first, etc. I'm just sitting back and not doing a whole lot, enjoying doing things with my friends. It is a game, after all, and if a person isn't playing to have fun, I suspect that person is doing something wrong. If you're hitting 85 in 6-8 hours then you are rushing through things and skipping most of the story. I'm a lore nerd, but I don't see the point in skipping the story for the sake of getting to 85 first. And with that comment a lot of people would likely tell me that I don't belong in the World of Warcraft I kind of agree with you. Though I enjoy trying to level, lore is a big part of the experience in that kind of game.
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Post by Dr. Waldorf X on Dec 9, 2010 12:09:51 GMT -5
I like it okay so far. Right now there are lots of people spazzing out and basically going into rages over things like levelling and not being first, etc. I'm just sitting back and not doing a whole lot, enjoying doing things with my friends. It is a game, after all, and if a person isn't playing to have fun, I suspect that person is doing something wrong. If you're hitting 85 in 6-8 hours then you are rushing through things and skipping most of the story. I'm a lore nerd, but I don't see the point in skipping the story for the sake of getting to 85 first. And with that comment a lot of people would likely tell me that I don't belong in the World of Warcraft This mentality is why I flat out refuse to join any hardcore raiding guilds. If you're not playing to have fun, you're doing it wrong. I would rather not treat a video game like a second job doesn't pay me.
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Post by Shano on Dec 9, 2010 14:41:15 GMT -5
I like it okay so far. Right now there are lots of people spazzing out and basically going into rages over things like levelling and not being first, etc. I'm just sitting back and not doing a whole lot, enjoying doing things with my friends. It is a game, after all, and if a person isn't playing to have fun, I suspect that person is doing something wrong. If you're hitting 85 in 6-8 hours then you are rushing through things and skipping most of the story. I'm a lore nerd, but I don't see the point in skipping the story for the sake of getting to 85 first. And with that comment a lot of people would likely tell me that I don't belong in the World of Warcraft This mentality is why I flat out refuse to join any hardcore raiding guilds. If you're not playing to have fun, you're doing it wrong. I would rather not treat a video game like a second job doesn't pay me. You are not justifying why playing in a hardcore guild is not fun. Care to show why it would be so?
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Post by the sandman on Dec 9, 2010 16:55:06 GMT -5
whatever happened to that FSTDT WoW thingy?
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Post by wolfgangravenna on Dec 9, 2010 19:54:19 GMT -5
The moment Archimonde was killed in Warcraft III was when the story of Warcraft became HORRIBLE.
I wouldn't even allow the CD to grace my ass as toilet paper.
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Post by Dr. Waldorf X on Dec 9, 2010 22:01:43 GMT -5
This mentality is why I flat out refuse to join any hardcore raiding guilds. If you're not playing to have fun, you're doing it wrong. I would rather not treat a video game like a second job doesn't pay me. You are not justifying why playing in a hardcore guild is not fun. Care to show why it would be so? Its a matter of preference. I prefer to play at my own pace, with a guild that doesn't tell me what to do and when to do it. If my guild were to tell me that I had to be at 85 and geared up from heroics within a few days or I will be kicked out of the guild, I'm going to feel rushed and won't be having fun. If someone enjoys having to treat their guild like a job, then more power to them.
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Post by the sandman on Dec 9, 2010 22:12:05 GMT -5
You are not justifying why playing in a hardcore guild is not fun. Care to show why it would be so? Its a matter of preference. I prefer to play at my own pace, with a guild that doesn't tell me what to do and when to do it. If my guild were to tell me that I had to be at 85 and geared up from heroics within a few days or I will be kicked out of the guild, I'm going to feel rushed and won't be having fun. If someone enjoys having to treat their guild like a job, then more power to them. I was in a hardcore raiding guild for a while. The demands on me from the guild (on my time, my schedule, the activities I was committed and required to do, etc.) not only made the game absolutely NO fun, but actually began to make me too anxious to log on.
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Post by tgrwulf on Dec 9, 2010 23:08:35 GMT -5
Its a matter of preference. I prefer to play at my own pace, with a guild that doesn't tell me what to do and when to do it. If my guild were to tell me that I had to be at 85 and geared up from heroics within a few days or I will be kicked out of the guild, I'm going to feel rushed and won't be having fun. If someone enjoys having to treat their guild like a job, then more power to them. I was in a hardcore raiding guild for a while. The demands on me from the guild (on my time, my schedule, the activities I was committed and required to do, etc.) not only made the game absolutely NO fun, but actually began to make me too anxious to log on. I'm in a casual raiding guild run be me and some of my friends for that exact reason. Also, this is relevant:
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Post by junastarrider on Dec 9, 2010 23:31:38 GMT -5
/delurks
I honestly think we got the best of both worlds with Cata, a totally steamlined and fun leveling experience (Remember the hellhole called Westfall? It's now a blast), plus the 'hardcore' raiders will have things to compete for, such as hard modes, and mounts and titles and reps and pets.... As for those who are hitting level cap in a few hours, those are the people who have specially prepared and use every legit exploit they can get to reach the cap first. It'll probably take you longer, and is more fun when you enjoy the scenery.
/goes back to lurking
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Post by Shano on Dec 10, 2010 0:54:32 GMT -5
It is undeniable that many people will find the requirements of a HCR guild too detrimental to the fun part of playing a game. My point, however, was that someone's definition of fun is not universal. I played in a HCR guild for 4 years. It was one of the most fun times I ever had while playing a game and it lasted 4 years. Let me try to show you how I perceived things and why it was fun to me. 1. Schedule. It was fun because you had set times of concerted effort during which you knew that you are going to play with some of the best players of the game, who will not blunder, will not agro the whole instance, know how to play their class (and other classes too), and are commited to achieving the common goal (and won't say midway through the instance "my internet is down guys" and go in a BG, or just fall asleep on the keyboard). 2. Initial gearing up (heroics). Well that just comes with the commitment. On top of that it is part of understanding how to play your class at that level. How else would you know it for the 25 (and I got to say that the best ever instance made was 40 man Naxx - more on that in a bit). The fun part is the learning of playing your class at the new cap level and the anticipation of the first big raid. 3. Consumables. Again an issue of commitment/anticipation. In addition most HCR guilds will provide for most of those in addition to repair costs.
I will not deny that there are a lot of unpleasant things: drama queens, loot bickering etc. But for me those were negligible compared to the fun of defeating a boss. Especially the first time. Anyone from a HCR guild remember the eruption of joy and cheer and adrenaline at a first kill?
Talking about Naxxramass I have to mention Patchwerk. During our raids there was absolute silence (we used vent of course) while figting this boss. This boss was very hard beacuse of the demands on healing. Aside from this he is a joke in terms of strategy. So everyone knows with absolute certaintly what they need to do and there can't be any surprises. And thus the silence. So for 7 minutes there is absolute silence... Until you kill it. And when it was our first kill it was deafening. The most joyous kill for me personally was when we had the server first kill of Nefarion (which was among the first 80 kills worldwide).
So... The whole point of this post was to show that general statements of it feeling like a job or whatever are strictly personal opinion and should be expressed as such.
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Post by Dr. Waldorf X on Dec 10, 2010 2:10:13 GMT -5
OK, so being expected to do something when they say as well as being expected to treat the guild higher than any of your other plans isn't expecting you to treat it like a job? I never said that there aren't people that like doing things that way. To me, however, its taking the game too seriously and expecting me to play how they want me to play. Its restricting. If you don't mind that for the benefits (of which there are plenty of, you know, server firsts, great gear, easier and more efficient progression), then more power to you. My point wasn't that the hardcore players don't have their place as they do. My point was that I don't feel like a game should feel like serious work that cuts into my social life and other interests. Honestly, I like my guild, we raid when we can and we raid for fun. Yes, we take things relatively seriously during the raids, but we don't force people to play outside of their preferred method, nor do we boot people out of the guild for missing a raid due to other things outside of the game. In the end, I'm looking to have fun. If I'm not having fun, then I'm doing it wrong.
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