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Post by John E on Dec 19, 2010 12:14:12 GMT -5
I rolled my eyes so far it hurt.
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Post by Kit Walker on Dec 19, 2010 13:19:21 GMT -5
When you follow orders to do good, you're doing heroic stuff, but really just doing your job. If you follow orders to do evil, you're an asshole. If you inflict a greater amount of evil than the orders specify, you're a monster. However, if you disobey orders to do evil then you are a true hero in every sense of the word. In Nazi Germany there were some stories of officers who risked their lives by refusing orders to do things like set fire to schools or hospitals. That's the kind of cop I see as a truly good person, and that's the type of character personified by the Oath keepers. Except the oathkeepers are tilting at windmills. They're attacking giants that aren't there. They are refusing orders that have not and will not come. Worst of all, they are perpetuating the conspiracy theories that extremist anti-government whack jobs like Hutaree prepare for and plan to kill cops based on them.
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Post by impatiens on Dec 19, 2010 13:28:19 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that, if a Police Officer breaks the law, then that makes them a good person? When you follow orders to do good, you're doing heroic stuff, but really just doing your job. If you follow orders to do evil, you're an asshole. If you inflict a greater amount of evil than the orders specify, you're a monster. However, if you disobey orders to do evil then you are a true hero in every sense of the word. In Nazi Germany there were some stories of officers who risked their lives by refusing orders to do things like set fire to schools or hospitals. That's the kind of cop I see as a truly good person, and that's the type of character personified by the Oath keepers. Fap, fap, fap, fap. Here's more fapping material for you:
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 19, 2010 15:03:48 GMT -5
Does AA remind anyone else of Renegade Shepard, only less bad-ass and more whiny and pathetic?
Seriously, the post about "Cops following orders to do good stuff are just doing their jobs" reminds me of a scene from ME1 where (SPOILERS) Shepard was rescued from a planet after being nearly melted in sulfur acid. When Joker, the pilot of the ship that rescued him, commented about how that save deserves a medal, Renegade Shepard completely blows him off by whittling it down to nothing more than "you just did your job, soldier, you don't deserve a reward for that." Talk about biting the hand saving you from certain death... which AA probably would do.(END SPOILERS)
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Post by ltfred on Dec 19, 2010 18:23:54 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that, if a Police Officer breaks the law, then that makes them a good person? When you follow orders to do good, you're doing heroic stuff, but really just doing your job. If you follow orders to do evil, you're an asshole. If you inflict a greater amount of evil than the orders specify, you're a monster. However, if you disobey orders to do evil then you are a true hero in every sense of the word. In Nazi Germany there were some stories of officers who risked their lives by refusing orders to do things like set fire to schools or hospitals. That's the kind of cop I see as a truly good person, and that's the type of character personified by the Oath keepers. Declaration of emergency=/genocide.
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Post by wolfgangravenna on Dec 19, 2010 18:51:45 GMT -5
Well, I wouldn't refer to the British Government as Nazi Germany. In fact, i don't even think it comes close. The laws in place are good ones, FOR THE MOST PART. They fall into the line of British morality, and aside from some asshole remedy of another time, they're not these massive immoral giants that wish to stomp out liberty and harvest us for bone marrow.
I like to stress this: Governments are made of PEOPLE, not these amoral automatons. They make the same mistakes and have the same flaws, which are simply amplified by power. Same goes for the police force. There is possibly 10 good cops smacking the heads of those 3 less-than-good cops right now going "Way to go, idiot. We try and maintain law and order, and you just have to unzip your pants and sanctify it's rectum!"
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 19, 2010 19:16:15 GMT -5
Zachski don't compare AA to Shepard. It hurts.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Dec 19, 2010 20:13:53 GMT -5
The Oathkeepers' heroics are so important that I never heard of them before last night.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 20, 2010 3:03:23 GMT -5
Zachski don't compare AA to Shepard. It hurts. I DID say "Minus the bad-ass".
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Post by impatiens on Dec 20, 2010 3:34:05 GMT -5
The Oathkeepers' heroics are so important that I never heard of them before last night. That's because all of their heroics - NSFW are done in AA's bedroom.
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Post by scotsgit on Dec 20, 2010 8:28:30 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that, if a Police Officer breaks the law, then that makes them a good person? When you follow orders to do good, you're doing heroic stuff, but really just doing your job. If you follow orders to do evil, you're an asshole. If you inflict a greater amount of evil than the orders specify, you're a monster. However, if you disobey orders to do evil then you are a true hero in every sense of the word. .. So you actually think (I use the term loosely) that people activiely think "I'll go do some evil!"? Citation needed. Except, you muppet, they took an oath to uphold the law, now I realise that means nothing to you, but it does to the people taking it. You don't get to choose which orders to follow. And what exactly is this 'oath' you keep banging on about?
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Post by wolfgangravenna on Dec 20, 2010 10:50:03 GMT -5
Scotsgit. You. You have become my favourite person (which is very competitive, i'll tell you right now) for calling someone a "muppet" in the same way i call some people "Shits"
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Post by scotsgit on Dec 20, 2010 13:36:00 GMT -5
Scotsgit. You. You have become my favourite person (which is very competitive, i'll tell you right now) for calling someone a "muppet" in the same way i call some people "Shits"
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Post by Sigmaleph on Dec 20, 2010 20:59:13 GMT -5
Except, you muppet, they took an oath to uphold the law, now I realise that means nothing to you, but it does to the people taking it. You don't get to choose which orders to follow Not that this applies to the oathkeeprs, but as a matter of general principle: Yes, you do. "I was just following orders" is no excuse if those orders are, say, "go kill all those people, they smell".
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Dec 20, 2010 22:24:58 GMT -5
^^ Gotta agree with that. And, actually, I'd agree with AA that a cop who refuses to violate civil rights, even if pressured to do so, is worthy of praise. However, the notion that being an Oath Keeper magically means that one won't violate someone's rights, or not being one makes it certain that one will violate civil rights, is utterly ridiculous. Also, AA's notions of what civil rights entail are also pretty ridiculous.
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