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Post by big_electron on Feb 2, 2011 2:55:39 GMT -5
I don't know what video you are talking about. The videos I watched said nothing about timberline. Wooden levers could still be constructed and used, as were in Egypt. Although they talk about the Pyramids, I can see human ingenuity there because the Egyptians were ingenious and creative. They had mathematics and writing. They had wheel, ropes, pullies. One professional mason said that a 35 foot saw would be needed to do some of they machining that they did. He suspects that some of the pits nearby were used for just that. The people who lived near Puma Punku were illiterate yokels. As for what you can do with a chisel and hammer, to machine the grooves seen at Puma Punku, and do it with such precision, it could not be done with hammer and chisel. Simply chiseling would leave large imperfections. The grooves are the same depth and width all the way across.
Neither I nor anyone featured in the videos, at least the videos I watched, said that aliens did it. Humans did it, they did it all, humans performed all the labor, but might have received guidance and knowledge from space aliens.
Some other theories as to why they don't settle down with us. One is that Earth is toxic to them. Another is that they fear us as much as we fear them. They would be subjected to our prejudices. After all, we've killed other members of our own species because you're skin is a different color, you worship a different god, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny...
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Feb 2, 2011 5:46:59 GMT -5
You're still saying "Magic." instead of saying "People are crafty buggers."
The Greeks knew the shape of the Earth, and even the diameter, long before humans had the ability to view the land from high above. They did it in the damndest way. They used this uniquely human mathmatical ability to use triangulation to calculate the diameter of the Earth to within 100 or so miles, if memory serves.
People as a whole are capable of staggering brilliance. It isn't unique to any nationalities or cultures. When people wanna get shit done, they will find a way to do it or die trying.
Illiterate doesn't mean stupid. Being uneducated doesn't make you stupid. Lack of learning capacity and poor critical thinking skills are what make one stupid. Stupid people didn't do too well back then. A lack of warnings labels helped with that.
If you're gonna jump to "Aliens!" you should probably give some damn compelling evidence or at least logic regarding how they could violate relativity with such ease they'd actually fly to another damn planet in another solar system (possibly even another galaxy) just so they could end up giving a bunch of particularly clever monkeys some cool decorations.
Or explain how it could be that every observation we've made regarding everything is wrong.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Feb 3, 2011 23:51:42 GMT -5
Not to pile on, but they could have filed the stone.
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Post by big_electron on Feb 23, 2011 3:25:01 GMT -5
There were a few things I found to be hard to believe. The series I watched talked about bottomless craters on the moon. I say pics or they don't exist. The other idea is of ET's spreading the plague. As for rebuttals, I can't believe that no one posted this: www.history.rochester.edu/steam/hero/section37.htmlor this: It looks as though if I really want a discussion about this, I will just have to argue with myself. |
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Post by big_electron on Mar 24, 2011 2:18:06 GMT -5
OK, I've thought of one more possible explanation for Puma Punku. I call it the Atlantis theory. There was another period of human civilization, complete with its own history, that would have had the writing and engineering possible to achieve it. It was wiped out by ice age, asteroid, beer shortage, insert cataclysm of your choice, and mankind was forced to relearn everything from the stone age.
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Post by Mira on Mar 24, 2011 20:27:19 GMT -5
Please don't call it a theory.
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Post by big_electron on Mar 25, 2011 1:00:13 GMT -5
Please don't call it a theory. theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory theory... |
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Post by MaybeNever on Mar 25, 2011 1:14:23 GMT -5
The idea of a moderately advanced ancient culture is at least conceivable, but Puma Punku was built around the 6th century AD. The Romans were regularly building stuff hundreds of years before that which are still around, monuments to their ingenuity. We don't need to posit anything more than a relatively sophisticated culture roughly appropriate to the time and place where the complex was built - in other words, there's no real mystery here.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Mar 25, 2011 1:16:58 GMT -5
Aaaand down the toilet this shit topic goes. Ask real nice and I may open it back up, provided you bring anything worth discussing to the table.
Unsubstantiated bullshit about "alienz built it 'cuz humanz being crafty little fuckers is less likely than the modern understanding of physics being completely wrong lol" isn't worthwhile.
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