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Post by chad sexington on Apr 6, 2011 20:28:07 GMT -5
Cheese, that's an obscure one. Is the meat pork?  |
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Post by happycheeze on Apr 6, 2011 20:31:01 GMT -5
Cheese, that's an obscure one. Is the meat pork? uuuuuuuuh did I miss something? I got trolled didn't I? dam nmit I need to stop going here and just study tonight! |
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Post by chad sexington on Apr 6, 2011 20:34:40 GMT -5
A few years ago some muslim cleric in Sydney was complaining about "immodestly dressed women"; he used that spoiled-meat analogy.
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Post by Amaranth on Apr 6, 2011 22:06:14 GMT -5
But kudos to that poster for finding a new way to blame the victim....Which is the reason "slut walk" was organised to begin with. When did the police officer advocate that rape victims are to be held legally responsible? Though, I do agree that his use of the word "slut" was uncalled for. Holy distortion of what I said, Batman! |
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Post by happycheeze on Apr 6, 2011 22:08:45 GMT -5
A few years ago some muslim cleric in Sydney was complaining about "immodestly dressed women"; he used that spoiled-meat analogy. /face-to-keyboard |
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Apr 6, 2011 22:12:43 GMT -5
Amaranth: i kno rite. I had no idea what WoS was talking about...still don't. Did anyone whose post I didn't notice say that the cop supported 'sluts' being held legally responsible for their own rapes (besides saying "don't dress like a slut", which isn't outright support, it's just a slimy, backwards thing to say). Which brings the question up: is being deserted by the legal system a legal punishment? It's definitely not a good thing for victims, but does the legal system ever use it as an actual, law-enforcing tool of punishment?
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Post by A Reasonable Rat on Apr 6, 2011 22:24:03 GMT -5
Yeah. I remember this. I thought it was kind of unreasonable to penalize the police officer for saying that... well, maybe he could have phrased it without saying 'like sluts', but in a general way, he's kind of right...
It's sad, but how things should be doesn't reflect how things ARE, and as long as there are men out there who have certain attitudes toward women, dressing that way will increase your chances of being harassed.
That doesn't mean that a woman shouldn't have the right to dress as she wishes, or that the harasser is in any way less guilty for what his victim wore... But as it is right now, it's a predictable threat. You KNOW they're out there. Agressive, sexist men are like any other uncivilized ape - they need to be given a wide berth.
I fully support motions like this. People need to be aware of how they're seen and see others.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Apr 6, 2011 22:27:49 GMT -5
I saw a video on the news like that last night.
Awesome.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Apr 6, 2011 22:29:47 GMT -5
Everyone KNOWS they're out there, so they should dress in some arbitrarily modest way so the rapists won't have excuses that make the women look bad for getting raped?
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Post by Amaranth on Apr 6, 2011 22:29:57 GMT -5
Amaranth: i kno rite. I had no idea what WoS was talking about...still don't. Did anyone whose post I didn't notice say that the cop supported 'sluts' being held legally responsible for their own rapes (besides saying "don't dress like a slut", which isn't outright support, it's just a slimy, backwards thing to say). Which brings the question up: is being deserted by the legal system a legal punishment? It's definitely not a good thing for victims, but does the legal system ever use it as an actual, law-enforcing tool of punishment? It seems like a good post to get bent out of shape over, even if you're not bent out of shape over anything I actually SAID. >.> I don't know if one can hold that as a legal tool, though I wouldn't be surprised if it happens. |
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Post by A Reasonable Rat on Apr 7, 2011 0:27:02 GMT -5
Everyone KNOWS they're out there, so they should dress in some arbitrarily modest way so the rapists won't have excuses that make the women look bad for getting raped? Not at all. Simply, if you KNOW there are people out there who will harass or assault you specifically because of what you're wearing, AND you don't think the risk is worth it, then don't dress that way. YES, it's a obstruction of freedom. YES, it's not right OR fair. It's a compromise that is necessary right now because we live in a flawed and unhealthy society in which phobia and taboo and neuroses and paranoia and hate are flourishing. If it were really about arbitrary modesty, then it would be totally reasonable for someone to say, wear gang colours in the 'hood. You have the right to wear those colours, and you should be able to do so freely, but it's an obvious risk when there are people out there who don't respect law and civility. So even though our society is slowly making progress, it's just not safe to exercise certain rights yet. If it is worth it to you to take that risk, then that's your choice, but it's not a practical one in our current world. (I must also point out that I have mentioned harassment and not rape, because violent pathological rapists don't care what you're wearing. ) |
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Post by Amaranth on Apr 7, 2011 0:32:45 GMT -5
Not at all. Simply, if you KNOW there are people out there who will harass or assault you specifically because of what you're wearing, AND you don't think the risk is worth it, then don't dress that way. Assuming there's some sort of correlation between rape/assault and attire. Now, go prove that, and we'll talk. |
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Post by impatiens on Apr 7, 2011 0:34:41 GMT -5
Just one question: Why is it always the women who are expected to make sacrifices?
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Post by Amaranth on Apr 7, 2011 0:38:32 GMT -5
Just one question: Why is it always the women who are expected to make sacrifices? "Boys will be boys?" |
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Post by A Reasonable Rat on Apr 7, 2011 0:59:06 GMT -5
Not at all. Simply, if you KNOW there are people out there who will harass or assault you specifically because of what you're wearing, AND you don't think the risk is worth it, then don't dress that way. Assuming there's some sort of correlation between rape/assault and attire. Now, go prove that, and we'll talk. I did mention that pathological rapists don't care what you're wearing. And there is certainly SOME correlation between harassment/assault and attire, in that there are some men who think of sexualizing clothing as an invitation. Just one question: Why is it always the women who are expected to make sacrifices? It depends on the subject. In sexual matters, yes. Because that's the role we're put in. Men are expected to make sacrifices in the realm of emotion and subjective enjoyment of life. Women are definitely carrying the brunt, but in many ways men are being oppressed by the same society. |
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