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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 8:06:10 GMT -5
That...would be fucking hilarious. <insert obvious Darth Vader/Luke reference here> "NO....My father was a British dick? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" It'd be funnier with Voldemort. "But you tried to kill me...." "Come now, Harry, no family's perfect. Look at your good friend, Sirius Black...."
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 18, 2011 8:29:33 GMT -5
Not to mention that they never seemed to actually break up in there anywhere... So... OK... just got back from seeing it, and I'm confused... was Snape Harry's father, or what? That...would be fucking hilarious. <insert obvious Darth Vader/Luke reference here> Yes, I thought so too.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 18, 2011 8:30:16 GMT -5
OK... so whats the deal with their having the same petronus? If you mean "Same as James," he doesn't. It's Lily's Patronus, because of his love for her. The doe. Which is like a stag, but sans horns. Or Antlers. Or whatever. I failed everything in biology that didn't have to do with sex. I my need to watch the movies in sequence, back to back, to pick up the nuances.
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 9:43:07 GMT -5
If you mean "Same as James," he doesn't. It's Lily's Patronus, because of his love for her. The doe. Which is like a stag, but sans horns. Or Antlers. Or whatever. I failed everything in biology that didn't have to do with sex. I my need to watch the movies in sequence, back to back, to pick up the nuances. I'd recommend the books for "nuance," personally. I have no idea whether this is even explained in HPatDHpt2. I do know it's all explained in the books, but there's a lot that's left out of the movies. Similarly, I don't think they ever mention Harry's Patronus is a stag because James' was a stag, which is because he was an unregistered Animagus (Like Wormtail, which is why he lived as Scabbers) who turned into a stag, which is because he and Sirius (and Wormtail) were friends of Lupin back in the day. Much of this is alluded to, but not actually said. Whereas in the book, it's pretty damn explicit. Like, beatcha over the head with it.
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Jul 18, 2011 9:52:30 GMT -5
That...would be fucking hilarious. <insert obvious Darth Vader/Luke reference here> "NO....My father was a British dick? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" It'd be funnier with Voldemort. "But you tried to kill me...." "Come now, Harry, no family's perfect. Look at your good friend, Sirius Black...." "Nothing personal, you just need to die." I dunno, though-- even though Voldie was actually a threat to Harry's life, he was more of a detached threat for the first half or so of the series. He did infiltrate Hogwarts as Quirrell's pun, and he did physically threaten Harry, to be sure, but Snape was always around. Always. And at first, Voldemort's hatred for Harry was more of a "god damn, this little shit's gonna ruin me? fuck that"; Snape's hatred seemed more personalized ("You're just like your self-absorbed, egotistical buttmunch of a father."). I dunno, maybe it's just me. Voldie's hatred did seem to get more personalized as time went one, but that was mostly out of frustration at being unable to kill Harry, wasn't it? @lhm: I must now search for fanfics with that theme. I mean, there IS that one where Snape adopts him, but it's not the same.
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 10:26:49 GMT -5
"NO....My father was a British dick? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" It'd be funnier with Voldemort. "But you tried to kill me...." "Come now, Harry, no family's perfect. Look at your good friend, Sirius Black...." "Nothing personal, you just need to die." I dunno, though-- even though Voldie was actually a threat to Harry's life, he was more of a detached threat for the first half or so of the series. He did infiltrate Hogwarts as Quirrell's pun, and he did physically threaten Harry, to be sure, but Snape was always around. Always. And at first, Voldemort's hatred for Harry was more of a "god damn, this little shit's gonna ruin me? fuck that"; Snape's hatred seemed more personalized ("You're just like your self-absorbed, egotistical buttmunch of a father."). I dunno, maybe it's just me. Voldie's hatred did seem to get more personalized as time went one, but that was mostly out of frustration at being unable to kill Harry, wasn't it? @lhm: I must now search for fanfics with that theme. I mean, there IS that one where Snape adopts him, but it's not the same. I stand by the notion that it'd be awesome to see Voldie and Harry as family.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 18, 2011 10:35:01 GMT -5
@lhm: I must now search for fanfics with that theme. I mean, there IS that one where Snape adopts him, but it's not the same. That was just what I took from the movie, I'm sure there are huge plot points and intricacies in the books I never picked up. I only read Order of the Phoenix.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 18, 2011 10:36:59 GMT -5
So... once again, this might be made clear in the books... but other than the fact he wears black, and has a funny nose... is it ever explicitly said what makes Voldemort a baddie? Yeah, i know he tries to kill Harry and such, but his motivation as bad guy wasn't ever really explained.
Again, I may need to go back and back to back the movies in order.
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 10:38:49 GMT -5
@lhm: I must now search for fanfics with that theme. I mean, there IS that one where Snape adopts him, but it's not the same. That was just what I took from the movie, I'm sure there are huge plot points and intricacies in the books I never picked up. I only read Order of the Phoenix. WEASELY IS OUR KING!
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 10:44:26 GMT -5
So... once again, this might be made clear in the books... but other than the fact he wears black, and has a funny nose... is it ever explicitly said what makes Voldemort a baddie? Yeah, i know he tries to kill Harry and such, but his motivation as bad guy wasn't ever really explained. Again, I may need to go back and back to back the movies in order. He wants power. Even when Dumbleydore first meets him, Tom riddle is already a bit of a fucking sociopath. Using his powers to torture and manipulate the other orphans. I'm having trouble remembering explicit details, but I think it came down to having a bad childhood even before that, what with his worthless "muggle" father abandoning him and all. Some of the power he wanted is, in thePotter world, explicitly evil. He wanted to be able to live forever, for example, and that's explicitly dark magic. Horcruxes require something so horrendous as to shatter the soul. such as murder. And really, he was an utter starfucker. That's why so many of his horcruxes were objects of significance. And one day, he would SHOW THEM ALLLLLLLLL!!
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Post by askold on Jul 18, 2011 10:52:32 GMT -5
So... once again, this might be made clear in the books... but other than the fact he wears black, and has a funny nose... is it ever explicitly said what makes Voldemort a baddie? Yeah, i know he tries to kill Harry and such, but his motivation as bad guy wasn't ever really explained. Again, I may need to go back and back to back the movies in order. Not sure if serious... Not sure if SIRIUS?! (Oh God, that was a horrible pun.) Anyway here is a short version: Voldemort tried to take over the world. Not just the wizard community but the muggle world as well. Or to be more precise he wanted to kill all "impure" humans who do not have the wizard "blood" this is why he even went after those wizards who didn't have wizard parents because they were "tainting the blood." You do notice in the movies that when Voldemort is in charge the ministry goes after the muggle born wizards. (And especially in the last movie he mentions "pure blood" few times.) Kinda like a Hitler-mage. (And now I'm reminded of that russian comic where Hitler and Stalin fight with magical powers.) EDIT: Also, what Amaranth said. If you are planning to be the most powerful wizard in the world why not TAKE OVER THE WORLD so that everyone knows that you are most powerful. And if you are planning to rule the world, why not rule the world forever.
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Post by lighthorseman on Jul 18, 2011 10:56:08 GMT -5
So... once again, this might be made clear in the books... but other than the fact he wears black, and has a funny nose... is it ever explicitly said what makes Voldemort a baddie? Yeah, i know he tries to kill Harry and such, but his motivation as bad guy wasn't ever really explained. Again, I may need to go back and back to back the movies in order. He wants power. Even when Dumbleydore first meets him, Tom riddle is already a bit of a fucking sociopath. Using his powers to torture and manipulate the other orphans. I'm having trouble remembering explicit details, but I think it came down to having a bad childhood even before that, what with his worthless "muggle" father abandoning him and all. Some of the power he wanted is, in thePotter world, explicitly evil. He wanted to be able to live forever, for example, and that's explicitly dark magic. Horcruxes require something so horrendous as to shatter the soul. such as murder. And really, he was an utter starfucker. That's why so many of his horcruxes were objects of significance. And one day, he would SHOW THEM ALLLLLLLLL!! OK, so, hes a bit of a central casting villain. But thats cool. As for wanting power... anyone else notice that apparently the Weasely clan is slowly taking over Wizard-dom? If allowed to continue at the rate displayed by the end of the movie, it is estimated that 2 out of every 3 wizards will be related to Ron Weasely either by blood or marriage by the end of the century.
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Post by Sleepy on Jul 18, 2011 11:01:21 GMT -5
Askold beat me to it. Voldemort wanted only purebloods in the world in which he would rule. That's why parts 1 and 2 of Deathly Hallows have so many mentions of muggle-born registration at the Ministry. This hits close to home with Hermione, as both her parents are muggles.
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Post by szaleniec on Jul 18, 2011 12:15:52 GMT -5
Speaking of Cho, what in the world was she doing in the last movie? Wasn't she supposed to be gone as she was a year ahead of Harry? She returned for the final battle, summoned by her DA coin which she'd kept hold of and still worked. This was in the book too. Though now I've seen the film, there's no indication of this.
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Post by Amaranth on Jul 18, 2011 13:12:12 GMT -5
As for wanting power... anyone else notice that apparently the Weasely clan is slowly taking over Wizard-dom? If allowed to continue at the rate displayed by the end of the movie, it is estimated that 2 out of every 3 wizards will be related to Ron Weasely either by blood or marriage by the end of the century. I suspect this is their plan. To flood the world with Muggle-lovers and mudbloods, and dilute our once proud race of Wizards.... ...Err...Did I say our? Crap. Askold beat me to it. Voldemort wanted only purebloods in the world in which he would rule. That's why parts 1 and 2 of Deathly Hallows have so many mentions of muggle-born registration at the Ministry. This hits close to home with Hermione, as both her parents are muggles. And why the Weaslys were treated like trash. Even if Ron wasn't Harry's friend, Mr. Weasly loved "muggle" things. This is particularly a weird plot point to me sometimes, because often Muggle tech is not really inferior to magic. Obviously, it quite often is, but frequently enough, it seems like this stuff's pretty useful. Plus, when his wand failed, Voldemort could have whipped out his gat and popped a cap in Potter's ass. Rutger Hauer...Danielle Radcliffe...WIZARD WITH A SHOTGUN. Though I'd get why Voldemort wouldn't want to use it, it seems so odd that other people treat it strangely. When you are the master race, you probably see the workings of inferior peoples as below you... But anyway, it's why the Weaslys are frequently crapped on. They're Muggle Lovers, and right up there in line with "muggles" and "Mudbloods."
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