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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 9, 2011 2:41:44 GMT -5
I support the Admiral Lithp Fuck-a-Pony campaign!
Are there those who would say nay?
(Pun intended!)
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Post by largeham on Aug 9, 2011 3:05:43 GMT -5
Fundamentalism is just another variety of totalitarianism, largeham. Dictators hate competition. Aye, I think that's kinda what I meant. QFT.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 9, 2011 3:18:17 GMT -5
Which pun?
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Post by Distind on Aug 9, 2011 5:13:34 GMT -5
I was going to rant about freedom of religion and all, given a previous thread, but I just realized it's a completely different set of posters in here.
Are you guys honestly saying that you'd bar children from church? If so I have a number of fundies to apologise to.
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Post by xotan on Aug 9, 2011 5:22:46 GMT -5
Looking at it from the French perspective, I'd prefer absolutely no toleration of religious influence/interference in political and state (thet's 'country', lest Americans misunderstand what I mean by state) matters; and absolutely no interference by state in church matters, provided such matters are legal.
And please, can I keep my Yeti? I love it very much!
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 9, 2011 7:28:38 GMT -5
I'm really not comfortable with the government dictating religious matters like this.
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Post by Nutcase on Aug 9, 2011 9:40:32 GMT -5
It's surprising, and a little troubling, how many of you are for severe limitations on religious freedom. Ban minors from church or temple or mosque?
Or this...
Wow. No thanks. I happen to like freedom - and I have this crazy, nutty idea that for it to be the real deal, it has to apply to everyone.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 9, 2011 10:02:30 GMT -5
Why? Most kids probably hate church anyway. Why should I be against curbing religious indoctrination?
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 9, 2011 10:17:34 GMT -5
Teaching kids critical thinking skills in schools is a nice start. Fund the education system, eliminate religious influence from politics, etc.
Education has better long-term results than forcibly trying to morph a secular society overnight.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 9, 2011 10:29:23 GMT -5
I honestly see it a lot like alcohol: Kids don't need it, they're not old or responsible enough. But I'm not going to take it away from adults.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Aug 9, 2011 10:30:54 GMT -5
So, pass laws requiring certain education standards. Parents must meet a minimum guidelines, etc.
If you live in a country overrun with fundamentalists, you have to acknowledge that things aren't going to change overnight. Drastic measures are just going to make the problem worse, not better.
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Post by Distind on Aug 9, 2011 11:28:28 GMT -5
So, pass laws requiring certain education standards. Parents must meet a minimum guidelines, etc. If you live in a country overrun with fundamentalists, you have to acknowledge that things aren't going to change overnight. Drastic measures are just going to make the problem worse, not better. This, fundamentalism is cultural as much as religious, look at the evangelicals, they burst into flames apon someone mentioning that catholics follow the same god and general book. You don't beat it through oppression, repression, or really anything that involves you putting pressure on it. You beat it by making it easier for those involved to realize just how full of shit it is. I honestly see it a lot like alcohol: Kids don't need it, they're not old or responsible enough. But I'm not going to take it away from adults. If we can use this excuse to keep kids off all voice chat in games I'm totally fucking on board with it. They don't need it, they're not responsible with it, and I might actually use if it we were rid of them. But really, is there any actual logic here? Or just intent to offend as many religious people as possible? Because that's all your gonna get out of it, though you may wing people who actually value religious freedom in anyway.
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Post by canadian mojo on Aug 9, 2011 14:22:56 GMT -5
@antichrist: I agree with you, I'm just saying that making laws and mandates and schools and stuff isn't going to guarantee in any way that the kids that need the secular education the most--those with religious fundamentalist parents--are going to be able to get it. Those parents will simply keep their children from school. The solution in that case is to show those parents that the law carries a very big club to beat their arrogant asses with. Take the kids away or invite the family to leave the country and go to an environment more suited to their culture. Hell, buy them the ticket.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Aug 9, 2011 14:57:16 GMT -5
For me, it depends on what's going on in these Mosques.
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Post by murdin on Aug 9, 2011 15:22:34 GMT -5
Way to make the Islamist nutjobs look good in the eyes of a 98% Muslim population, "president" Rahmon of the "People's" "Democratic" Party.
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