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Post by Passerby on Jul 26, 2011 21:55:56 GMT -5
So basically it's allowing a private buy-in for public schools. Making it legal for the government to accept money from the proceeds of a crime, how does this not surprise me? Well I suppose on one level it is a good thing that the legitimacy of the education they received and paid for won't simply be stripped away when they're deported and they'll bring home knowledge hopefully useful for improving their lot.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 26, 2011 21:16:59 GMT -5
There is a pic in comments somewhere where Spiderman says this, and I am gonna paraphrase it: If I see Michelle Bachmann and the Family Council idiots in a burning building, I will not save them. I will sit back, grab a lemonade, and watch karma do its thing. And frankly, I would still be LESS of a monster than THEM.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 26, 2011 10:11:14 GMT -5
Every time we hear about a shooting, a rape, a robbery gone wrong, preteen mothers, suicides, or just anything else that shouldn't happen in an enlightened or at the very least reasonably educated society based on the rule of law and the principles of human rights a bunch of loudmouths jump on the top of the nearest soapbox and swear up and down before God that if 'stronger morals' were being taught every problem ever would vanish. Turns out the exact fucking opposite of this is always the immediate effect when they have their way. And it's pretty much a given that the significance of it will be lost on them.
I hope the careers of every spineless speck of swamp scum connected to this policy goes down in flames. I hope they bring proper education back to the schools without omission. I hope every smug bastard student that pushed someone over the edge looks in the mirror and cringes at what they see.
Those are my hopes, but what I know is that everyone who should feel guilt and shame and horror and utter revulsion at what they've done loves their Bible too much to feel like they've sinned. I used to think of the Bible as a harmless book of parables and morals of the day, taken to extremes by misguided people. Gradually I began to view those people less as misguided and more like borderline lunatics. But after the events of the last few days I've come to a conclusion I hope will not stick with me forever: the Bible eats hope and shits nightmare fuel, which has in turn become the sole sustenence of the Moral Majority.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 26, 2011 0:19:36 GMT -5
As Lewis Black once said: Glenn Beck has Nazi Tourettes.
"This is a guy who uses more Swastika props and videos of the Nuremberg rallies than the History Channel."
And it used to be hilarious! Used to be. Now this shit just isn't funny. He's gone so far off the rails, so deep into utter lunacy, so utterly and profanely insane that even Fox News doesn't want to touch him with a ten foot pole.
I wonder how Glenn Beck and the fringe element of whackos he represents would react if they ever realized for a split second that Anders Breivik is their bloody role model.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 24, 2011 23:51:22 GMT -5
Funny. I think it looks kind of like this guy, amongst about a hundred others: That's a picture from faithclipart.com Of King Herod.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 24, 2011 23:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by Passerby on Jul 24, 2011 10:38:22 GMT -5
The GOP is used to dictating terms, not negotiation. They're adopting Bush's foreign policy with their boss. They refuse to even sit at the table and 'negotiate' until their demands are already agreed to and met. It doesn't help that they're by and large a bunch of hick 'good old boys' that subconciously think "Nonwhite=Foreign=Lesser being" even when it's their Commander-in-Chief and their stupid goddamned hissy fit could literally ruin the country.
Doesn't he have the authority to strip them of office on grounds of subversive activities, gross incompetence, dereliction of duty? ANYTHING?
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Post by Passerby on Jul 24, 2011 10:23:01 GMT -5
Actually yes, from my understanding that's it exactly. And seeing as there's been reports that somewhere in the ballpark of 60% of violent crime in the country is commited by tourists and recent immigrants they got to be doing something right. For the record, I actually do believe in the death penalty but if Norway's way gets results I say don't mess around with a good thing. But rehabilitation only works for people who want to rejoin society and function in it. Shitfucker Anders Breivik's ultimate goal isn't just getting ahead in life like the average criminal. He's out to literally reshape Norweigan society to his own liking. He will not rejoin society because he despises every aspect of how it currently functions. His crimes go far beyond murder or even mass murder. He declared war on his own country, literally. His goal was to spark a violent revolution. He's eligable to be tried under military laws. While modern Norway refuses execution even for war criminals, an indefinite prison sentence may still apply to high treason and terrorism. I hope he gets life in solitary confinement. With a TV just outside his cell so he can't turn it off playing reruns of Little Mosque on the Prarie forever.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 23, 2011 10:02:17 GMT -5
The depths of ignorance, atrocity, the sheer disregard for the lives and rights of others and most of all the twisted pride I've seen people take in all three of these things today will haunt many nightmares to come.
I just hope I don't see the future in them.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 23, 2011 8:04:38 GMT -5
According to the latest from the BBC there may have been a second a shooter. But the confirmed shooter dressed as a police officer and asked everyone to gather together. Being in a group would make them a rather easy target. As would shooting people in the back as they fled. He was even shooting people as they tried to swim away. I gave my highly disturbing theory and hoped it was a flight of fancy. What's your take?
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Post by Passerby on Jul 23, 2011 7:54:04 GMT -5
The main problem is that whoever doesn't see the original shooters before the lead starts flying will be assuming anyone that pulls out a gun that they don't personally know has their back is one of the gunmen trying to kill them. You're also forgetting that there are more weapons than just guns, and if only the people trying to kill you have guns then they're very easy to identify. I find a blade through eye stops people from shooting rather quickly, and even in the armed forces a knife is preferred for close engagements than a pistol or rifle. In the case of this particularly horrible story the sheer math of the crowd being shot into would be weapon enough against a lone gunman. They'd easily identify and floor him if not tear him limb from limb in a desperate panic. At a longer range in the middle of a gunfight you're better off looking for cover than looking for a decent shot and putting an increasing amount of distance between you and your would-be killer until they run out of ammunition.
You also have to consider what happens in a massed gunbattle by the time police or worse -the military - arrives knowing even less about what's going on than the people currently shooting. All they'll be seeing is confused armed groups shooting it out, panicking and attacking anybody else holding a gun without knowing who's friend and who's foe possibly including the cavalry.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 23, 2011 7:23:17 GMT -5
And who exactly would everyone be shooting at? They'd be slaughtering eachother in the confusion.
Anders Breivik couldn't have been a lone gunman, survivor accounts and events leading up to the massacre suggest he had help. Survivors report being first called into an open area directly in front of Breivik, thinking he was going to address the crowd (he was disguised as a policeman) before being caught in a crossfire. It doesn't matter if one man has an SMG, after 5 seconds of full-auto fire he has to reload and if 100 victims are directly in front of him somebody's going to charge at the obvious shooter as soon as the bullets stop. Assuming a 30 round magazine, he'd only be hitting three or four people in each burst before reloading, taking two seconds to switch clips for every 5 of fire and burning through more than 24 clips and that's assuming he was unusually accurate. If professional soldiers are anything to go by, he'll only be able to carry a maximum of 5 extra clips. Unless there's multiple shooters raining fire from different directions it would be impossible to pull this off.
No, Anders had accomplices and they planned this massacre out with ugly precision. He knew after the blast police would be running all over the area without people batting an eye, so he disguised himself as one travelling armed in plain sight and herding his intended victims into the kill zone. His uniform must have been legit, because he was stopped by other officers. He presented ID which also checked out. If that ID happened to be a badge, then he could only have gotten that from a real cop. If I'm right, and this is one of those time I will REALLY hate to be right, the source of his disguise and his backup are one and the same. Heavily armed police were supposed to be all over the area and escorting that Youth Camp in particular but somehow nobody was in range to engage him.
There's a distinct and frightening possibility he orchestrated all of this with like-minded members of the police force, who posed as a police escort, penned in their 84 victims, gunned them down alongside the sick monster, finally posing as his arresting officers and bringing Breivik in alive as a propaganda icon and maybe as a political catalyst. I'm in danger of showing up on CSTDT here and frankly I'll be glad if I'm being paranoid but that seems the most likely scenario to explain just how he managed to pull that off. Please just let this be lack-of-sleep-from-overwhelming-emotion paranoia.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 23, 2011 6:50:55 GMT -5
Nothing I say could possibly be sufficient. My heart goes out to the dead, the surviving, and to you.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 23, 2011 6:36:07 GMT -5
You know. I'm at the point where I honestly think think the Republican party and it's bat-rape insane base actually want America to collapse so they can blame it all on the Democrats and form a new country with their own theocratic system of law and order and finally saddle the 'defunct and defeated Union' with the entire national debt while they wipe their own financial slates clean.
It's not implausible, just really fucking stupid. But then again these are the people that claim to be the fiscally responsible party without knowing how money actually works.
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Post by Passerby on Jul 23, 2011 5:44:03 GMT -5
How did all these freaks forget so quickly that all initial reports were pointing the finger at Islamic groups before they found their man? The New York Times made three seperate claims that Islamic terrorist cells contacted them to gloat. (These were all less than legit, and there's a rumor going around that NYT informer Will McCants made it all up for sensationalism.) The Times went as far as to print an article highlighting every single military op Norwegian troops have participated in, kind of daring the entire Middle East to rush in and claim their revenge or at least make scary statements about Norway getting what it 'deserved' to drum up some fear. Hell, when they found Breivik and concluded he was linked more closely to radical Christian sentiments than Islamic Norwegian police said "That can change" and still pursued the Al-Qaida angle.
They dare imply that the world at large and Norway itself would trample over the fresh corpses of it's own murdered youth as a fucking smear campaign against Conservatives? What's next?
I look at all these comments transitioning from "How's that multiculturalism working out for you?" to "OMG Terrorism! Kill all Muslims for hurting our innocents!" directly into "Oh, it was a bunch of socialists that got wasted. No big loss. In fact kill some more, the're barely a step up from Muslims." and I can't help but think about the bits and pieces I picked up about John Calhoun's experiments in social pathology and overpopulation. Once the mice in the experiment crossed certain population thresholds they just went off the deep end en masse, destroying the entire test group every time and unable to recover even when numbers fell into endangerment due to lasting psychological damage and the breakdown of their ability to act as a group or even as families. I really hope we aren't those mice.
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