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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 20, 2011 14:53:13 GMT -5
There are no save points, just a shitty auto-save that you can't turn off.
God is a crappy reality designer!
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 20, 2011 11:41:08 GMT -5
I give it 15 months before we hear about him trying to pick up another man somewhere.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 20, 2011 7:09:51 GMT -5
- claim to be ex-Marines, This one is a huge. Marines will tell you, once a Marine, always a Marine.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 16, 2011 17:25:17 GMT -5
Nope. Even really bad criminals, traitors, serial killers and so on, are still citizens. Citizenship is both a legal tool and a description of identity- you don't stop coming from Kentucky just because you're a terrorist. Where you are from and where your allegiances lie are to very different things. In a legal sense, but not in reality. If they capture him. If they get a chance to kill him first that's what will happen. That is not what those rules were made for. You can call it anything you want, I thing it is justified. The Soviet Union was also the government of a country, there is a very big difference. Sure we could change US law. We could also change International law. Until then we are not going to sit back and do nothing.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 16, 2011 8:40:17 GMT -5
Was he 1) A uniform-wearing member or commander of a recognised millitary force from a country the US has declared war on? 2) A combatant on a battlefield? 3) Directly threatening someone's life by having breakfast? 4) A convicted criminal? If a person is killed without any of those four being fullfilled, it's murder. Those rules were made to protect innocent people from being killed. They were also made before organizations like Al-Qaeda came about. Right now they are protecting people they never were designed to. If it comes down to violating those rules to protect others in the futures the rules be damned.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 16, 2011 8:35:58 GMT -5
You can't just claim that someone you don't like* isn't an American citizen through some non-legal process- and therefore no entitled to the protections he is entitled. That's just silly. Legally you are right he was still a US citizen. I say that if you betray your country and are actively trying to kill is people you have given up you citizenship. Did Adam Yahiye Gadahn lose his citizenship and get extra-legally executed when he was accused of treason? No, because accusation is not and never will be proof. Your argument that accusation is proof is the doctrine of every tyrant from Nero to McCarthy. You must prove accusation in court (unless they're wearing a uniform, on a battlefield or shooting someone). Accusation are not proof. Proof however is just what we call it. Oh, and Gadahn has been targeted before they just have not hit him yet. Didn't you say you thought it was okay to shoot deserters?
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 15, 2011 11:42:49 GMT -5
So in other words, Qaida is the bad guy and USgov is the good guy? Screw the law, I'm doing what's right? What will you do when USgov isn't the good guy anymore, or whoever is the target isn't a universally recognized bad guy? Will you then still be okay with it? Independent from whether this specific assassination was justified or not, it sets a dangerous precedent. That is basically it. Saying that something sets a dangerous precedent is just another way of stating the slippery slope argument. Yes, if the US starts to target people that I think we should not be I will have a problem with it.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 15, 2011 10:34:31 GMT -5
Pepsi, unless there is going to be rum involved.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 15, 2011 8:40:19 GMT -5
....by law not reality, there is a difference. The 'reality' is that law never matters when the criminal is powerful, right? And, since might makes right, there's obviously no moral or legal reason to make everyone obey the law. The reality is that laws are not always able to provide protection for people. In this case killing him and any other member of Al-Qaeda is right. The President has always had the power of life and death. I don't think you understand what impossible means. The checks are not being carried out because a majority of the members in congress agree that this action was right. It is not about justice, it is about protection. How many when it has been true?
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 15, 2011 8:29:54 GMT -5
You BELIEVE the people they believe are guilty are innocent. You have different world views, however, both stances are purely subjective. And if every American citizen who came out and said they wanted to kill someone was suddenly vaporised by summary hellfire rocket justice, there'd be a hell of a lot fewerAmericans, not least approx 7/8ths of this board. Facts are not subjective. The fact is he joined and organization who's purpose was to kill people pretty much indiscriminately. The fact is he was very vocal about his stances. You and I both know there is a big difference between what people in al qaeda say and a person just stating "I will kill you" in the heat of anger. he's a member of al qaeda. he gave up his citizenship long ago Not quite. Oh yes he did.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 14, 2011 19:13:22 GMT -5
This might be a bit off topic but....
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 14, 2011 18:34:54 GMT -5
There is plenty of proof. Innocent until proven guilty. ....by law not reality, there is a difference. Yes, as Commander and Chief. True, but that does not change that fact that they could. Yes, but my family would be safe, that is the point. You left out regardless. So yes, while having breakfast, while sleeping, whenever. If I absolutely thought that someone was going to try and kill my family laws and morals be damned.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 14, 2011 16:18:13 GMT -5
Therefore Michelle Bachman has the right to assasinate whoever she wants, with no oversight or proof. There's no way that power will be misued! There is plenty of proof. There is also oversight. The US Congress could pull funding for military actions at any time. They could also impeach Obama. I don't know about anyone else, but is someone seriously threaten to kill my family and I have a change to kill him first I will. Regardless of if they are posing a threat at that time and regardless of the laws.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 14, 2011 16:03:41 GMT -5
Nickerson, those laws exist for a reason. Those laws were not written to deal with situations such as this.
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Post by m52nickerson on Oct 14, 2011 12:23:09 GMT -5
And I doubt Al Qaida targeted specific people on 9/11. That is my point. They did not target specific people, but they did target people. It did not matter who was killed.
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