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Post by andi on Oct 5, 2011 15:48:24 GMT -5
The English press release can be found here, the English version of the site here, Late's story this way.
One of these prominent figures include Lauri "Late" Johansson, one of the founders of a crime organization called Natural Born Killers. He is currently is in prison for murdering three people. Yes, that's right. Someone had the bright idea of including a murderer in a campaign which main goal is to encourage people to let Jesus in their hearts and lives. I.. Just.. What is this I don't even. This is fucked up. /Subject title edited.
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Post by MaybeNever on Oct 5, 2011 16:01:30 GMT -5
I don't know, it seems pretty honest to me. Murdering people is kind of a major theme of religions throughout human history.
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 5, 2011 18:56:20 GMT -5
If your message is “Absolutely no one is beyond redemption” it actually makes sense to have a reformed violent felon as a spokesperson. The question is: Has Johansson truly reformed?
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Post by lighthorseman on Oct 5, 2011 19:04:58 GMT -5
If your message is “Absolutely no one is beyond redemption” it actually makes sense to have a reformed violent felon as a spokesperson. My thoughts.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Oct 5, 2011 20:27:46 GMT -5
If your message is “Absolutely no one is beyond redemption” it actually makes sense to have a reformed violent felon as a spokesperson. The question is: Has Johansson truly reformed? Agreed. Let's not take things out of context here just to make religion look bad.
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Post by sylvana on Oct 6, 2011 1:31:32 GMT -5
I agree, if their message is that anyone can be forgiven and no one is beyond redemption then a violent criminal who apparently turned his life around makes a good example.
However, you get the other message which is that only if you accept Jesus into your life will you be saved. In such cases you get the whole Jeffry Dalmer went to Heaven but Gandhi didn't.
This looks more like the first example to me. It is a common tactic. In school, one is often spoken to buy former drug addicts / drug dealers who managed to kick their habit and life of crime and turn their lives around. It is supposed to represent that no one is so far gone that they cannot turn their lives around.
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Post by Wompatti on Oct 7, 2011 10:43:14 GMT -5
I get the whole “Absolutely no one is beyond redemption” but I still think it's an incredibly bad move to advertise that you're palling around with someone who has been convicted of three murders. Especially now when the church of Finland has been steadily losing members.
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Post by The_L on Oct 7, 2011 16:05:35 GMT -5
My inner skeptic has merged with my knowledge of webcomics to produce this:
"THIS MAN MURDERED 3 PEOPLE, AND THROUGH THE GRACE OF GOD HE HAS REFORMED! THIS MAN USED IRISH SPRING AND NOW HE'S DEAD!"
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Post by Meshakhad on Oct 7, 2011 16:53:37 GMT -5
I agree, if their message is that anyone can be forgiven and no one is beyond redemption then a violent criminal who apparently turned his life around makes a good example. However, you get the other message which is that only if you accept Jesus into your life will you be saved. In such cases you get the whole Jeffry Dalmer went to Heaven but Gandhi didn't. This looks more like the first example to me. It is a common tactic. In school, one is often spoken to buy former drug addicts / drug dealers who managed to kick their habit and life of crime and turn their lives around. It is supposed to represent that no one is so far gone that they cannot turn their lives around. I once met a former Neo-Nazi who had gone turncoat and was now an anti-discrimination activist.
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Post by Jodie on Oct 7, 2011 19:20:50 GMT -5
I agree, if their message is that anyone can be forgiven and no one is beyond redemption then a violent criminal who apparently turned his life around makes a good example. However, you get the other message which is that only if you accept Jesus into your life will you be saved. In such cases you get the whole Jeffry Dalmer went to Heaven but Gandhi didn't. This looks more like the first example to me. It is a common tactic. In school, one is often spoken to buy former drug addicts / drug dealers who managed to kick their habit and life of crime and turn their lives around. It is supposed to represent that no one is so far gone that they cannot turn their lives around. I once met a former Neo-Nazi who had gone turncoat and was now an anti-discrimination activist. That's the summary of a movie I saw recently, called Steel Toes.
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