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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 9, 2011 19:13:09 GMT -5
For the record, I'm not necessarily saying that chemical castration actually works to prevent future offences -- I'm merely explaining the hows and whys behind it. Frankly, I haven't done enough research on the subject to formulate a concrete opinion.
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Post by Vene on Oct 9, 2011 19:16:28 GMT -5
Why do you assume they do it to themselves? They have to get an injection once every few months, or whatever time frame is appropriate, or they violate their parole and are in deep shit (as in, jail time). Yeah, I know that Vene, my problem is that there's a good chance they'll leg it within a couple of months of release, then we're back to square one. How is it more of a risk than any other parole? There's states here that perform chemical castration, look up some data to back up your position. (Note: I'm not saying that it won't lead to more people fleeing, I just want people to base their opinions on something factual) |
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Post by syaoranvee on Oct 9, 2011 19:20:47 GMT -5
How about we agree on this: Rape, no matter who is receiving it, is horrible. Except the courts don't bother to think so, we let off beautiful female child molesters off the hook all the time and woman on man rape is seen as a joke by the majority. They rarely get jail time and get by on probation. |
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Post by stormwarden on Oct 9, 2011 20:37:38 GMT -5
I would only consider it in the most dire of cases, and even then, only after the research is complete, and the case is made. The "guilty until proven innocent" bit has no place in jurisprudence, however much Nancy Grace (THE HACK) may say otherwise.
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Post by largeham on Oct 9, 2011 20:43:24 GMT -5
Chemical castration generally involves the introduction of hormones (in this case, progestogen), which are meant to kill the offender's sex drive and ability to get an erection. And this is why chemical castration works so well against recidivism. It is a well-known fact that rapists are mostly driven by their libido. By the way, I heartily approve this initiative from the Russian legislature. Its gratuitous disregard for the most fundamental human rights of society's most heinous criminals is very laudable indeed. Two wrongs make a right, as the saying goes. A) Rape has been shown to be more about dominance than libido as such B) I believe the saying is two wrongs don't make a right |
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Oct 9, 2011 20:44:35 GMT -5
He was being sarcastic.
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Post by largeham on Oct 9, 2011 20:45:49 GMT -5
Whoops, my apologies.
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Post by stormwarden on Oct 9, 2011 20:49:07 GMT -5
largeham: I think murdin was being sarcastic.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Oct 9, 2011 22:22:22 GMT -5
Chemical castration sounds like an incredibly inappropriate punishment, IMNSHO. I think that our justice system should focus on rehabilitation and not punishment, and that chemical castration should be a choice made by the offender.
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Post by N. De Plume on Oct 10, 2011 7:51:24 GMT -5
The "guilty until proven innocent" bit has no place in jurisprudence… Uh, the sentence is passed on those who have already been found guilty. Admittedly, though, I do not know what that entails under Russian law. |
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Post by cestlefun17 on Oct 10, 2011 9:13:02 GMT -5
If it is offered as a voluntary option for parole, and it is shown to work, then I have no problem with it. However, I am not at all comfortable with the idea of the government forcibly requiring convicts to take any medication as a condition of punishment.
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Post by Yla on Oct 11, 2011 9:18:38 GMT -5
If it is offered as a voluntary option for parole, and it is shown to work, then I have no problem with it. However, I am not at all comfortable with the idea of the government forcibly requiring convicts to take any medication as a condition of punishment. Basically, this. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Oct 11, 2011 10:08:56 GMT -5
This also.
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Post by scotsgit on Oct 13, 2011 6:34:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that Vene, my problem is that there's a good chance they'll leg it within a couple of months of release, then we're back to square one. How is it more of a risk than any other parole? There's states here that perform chemical castration, look up some data to back up your position. (Note: I'm not saying that it won't lead to more people fleeing, I just want people to base their opinions on something factual) Because, let's face it, pederasts are famous for using cunning: I wouldn't see it beyond these people to attempt to leg it, or in the case of a country like Russia, use bribery to have someone say they've been getting the injections. |
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Post by Vene on Oct 13, 2011 9:42:33 GMT -5
How is it more of a risk than any other parole? There's states here that perform chemical castration, look up some data to back up your position. (Note: I'm not saying that it won't lead to more people fleeing, I just want people to base their opinions on something factual) Because, let's face it, pederasts are famous for using cunning: I wouldn't see it beyond these people to attempt to leg it, or in the case of a country like Russia, use bribery to have someone say they've been getting the injections. Citation, motherfucker, do you have one? Back up your argument with facts. |
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