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Post by sylvana on Oct 13, 2011 2:04:43 GMT -5
I can kind of understand the reasoning behind this a little.
Think of your average funeral, the person who died might have been the biggest asshole and horrible person in the world, but everyone there says nice things about them.
In this case my guess would be initially that the military made what is effectively a death that is entirely their fault seem far more heroic than it was. Making the family proud of their recently deceased family member.
However, this is also the American military which has probably one of the worst propaganda records of the modern era. I remember the blatant propaganda shown on CNN during the Iraq war, hell it was probably one of the reasons why a week later our local TV switched to BBC news instead. Not to mention the extremely underhanded recruiting tactics the military use, I wouldn't put it beyond the American military to use this tragedy to promote themselves.
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Post by erictheblue on Oct 13, 2011 6:10:06 GMT -5
In this case my guess would be initially that the military made what is effectively a death that is entirely their fault seem far more heroic than it was. Making the family proud of their recently deceased family member. It was propaganda, I don't dispute that. But I do want to dispute one thing. Whether or not Tillman was killed by friendly fire (and I have no doubt he was), that does not affect how heroic his death was. It isn't like he committed suicide and the military faked to make it look like he died in combat. He DID die in combat (although not from an enemy's gun) and he did die as an Army Ranger. His death is just as heroic as any service member who died under fire. |
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Post by askold on Oct 13, 2011 8:19:31 GMT -5
In this case my guess would be initially that the military made what is effectively a death that is entirely their fault seem far more heroic than it was. Making the family proud of their recently deceased family member. It was propaganda, I don't dispute that. But I do want to dispute one thing. Whether or not Tillman was killed by friendly fire (and I have no doubt he was), that does not affect how heroic his death was. It isn't like he committed suicide and the military faked to make it look like he died in combat. He DID die in combat (although not from an enemy's gun) and he did die as an Army Ranger. His death is just as heroic as any service member who died under fire. +1 |
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 13, 2011 11:06:38 GMT -5
If I remember the History show on it, he was trying to flank and was hit by friendly fire.
Where the problem starts is that the powers that be lied about who shot him to make him propaganda.
Seeing this is news from like 7 years ago, I might be a bit hazy on it
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Post by Ranger Joe on Oct 13, 2011 19:00:07 GMT -5
Pat Tillman was a model Ranger. I still don't understand how infantry can commit friendly fire on other US Infantry. Our uniforms are fucking specific. Plus..ya know...radios and all.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Oct 13, 2011 19:09:37 GMT -5
I think it has something to do with some minds shutting down and they stop seeing uniforms and colors and start seeing people with guns, and this scares them.
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Post by discoberry on Oct 13, 2011 19:32:18 GMT -5
See, LHM, this is what you start to look like when you start going on about things against the police. Not saying you are like this, but just as a frame of reference. A friendly warning towards someone who's heading down a dark, dangerous road, if you want to think of it like that. On-topic: And this is why I hate patriotism  Yes, questioning authority leads one down a dark, dangerous road. As true when you say it as it is when a fundamentalist evangelical finds a youngster reading "The Origin of the Species" and says the exact same thing. Alex Jones is to the State what Darwin is the the Church. You can't reasonably object to one and exalt the other. You know, when Alex Jones reported "News" at 3am on Cable Public Access, he was a laughing stock. Now, that he has a fancy well-made Internet Page he's an unsung hero. Do fancy graphics make his BS more believable or are people just really Fucking stupid now-a-days? Discuss... |
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Post by discoberry on Oct 13, 2011 19:52:26 GMT -5
In this case my guess would be initially that the military made what is effectively a death that is entirely their fault seem far more heroic than it was. Making the family proud of their recently deceased family member. It was propaganda, I don't dispute that. But I do want to dispute one thing. Whether or not Tillman was killed by friendly fire (and I have no doubt he was), that does not affect how heroic his death was. It isn't like he committed suicide and the military faked to make it look like he died in combat. He DID die in combat (although not from an enemy's gun) and he did die as an Army Ranger. His death is just as heroic as any service member who died under fire. According to "The Tillman Story" www.imdb.com/title/tt1568334/ His last words were "I am Pat Tillman, I am Pat Tillman." The SPC on his fire-team that was next to him said Tillman knew he had been killed by friendly fire. His wife stated that Army PR (Not Chaplins, as is customary) specialists in class A's tried to talk her into signing papers saying he would get a huge military funeral. She said that was not the paperwork he had filed before he shipped, they assured her it was. Cpl Tillman had foreseen his possible death being turned into a PR bonanza and smuggled copies of his actual paperwork out of Afghanistan, to his wife. There is your Conspiracy Theory. |
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Post by dasfuchs on Oct 13, 2011 22:39:27 GMT -5
Pat Tillman was a model Ranger. I still don't understand how infantry can commit friendly fire on other US Infantry. Our uniforms are fucking specific. Plus..ya know...radios and all. Granted I've never been on the field...but from playing games like BF42 and the like...it's very hard to make out some targets every time. Friendly fire happens. It's not a pretty event, but it does happen. Thankfully in the present we're cutting back on a lot of it. Reminds me of a story from WWII in the Pacific theater. The Japanese attacked US marines on an island so much and so often that one night as their own planes flew over the marines opened up and downed quite a few of their own side Or the first Gulf war where an apache crew kept trying to target a group of people and the computer wouldn't respond, so they went manual and blasted their own guys |
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Post by Ranger Joe on Oct 13, 2011 23:35:18 GMT -5
I think it has something to do with some minds shutting down and they stop seeing uniforms and colors and start seeing people with guns, and this scares them. This would normally be applicable, but Tillman was an Army Ranger. Rangers aren't just afraid of people with guns. They are already past the point of being normal soldiers. You are just trained better than that by that point. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Oct 14, 2011 15:59:07 GMT -5
...For "the guy just asking questions," ignoring my questions about what the fuck his conspiracy babble is going on about is pretty strange.
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