Omegle Debate - Long Text

[hiddenfunstuff]

Hello, I'm a noob.

Just finished this discussion with a stranger on Omegle. I think I handled it pretty well. Nothing outragous, just thougt someone might want to take a look. I want to be sure I made a good impression.

You're now chatting with a random stranger. Say hi!
Question to discuss:
Rate My Pic? http://**********

You: No.

Stranger: whaat?

Stranger: No thanks

Stranger: You a male?

You: Yeah, sorry.

Stranger: Im a female

Stranger: Age?

You: 18.

You: You?

Stranger: Just 14

You: Hmmm...

You: Watch out for pedos.

Stranger: You single?

Stranger: Yeah

Stranger: I know, lol

Stranger: Lots here

You: Yeah.

Stranger: you watch out for cougars, lol

You: The most dangerous prey...

Stranger: Every time I start a new conversation, it's always, "are you horny?"

You: I know.

You: I've taken to apologising for being male.

Stranger: Haha

Stranger: Where are you from>

Stranger: ?

You: Australia.

Stranger: Oh, nice

You: How about you?

Stranger: Philippines

Stranger: I know most people don't like it

Stranger: here

You: I can't really see why that would be.

Stranger: Have you been to Philippines?

You: No, but i have never heard anything negative be said.

Stranger: really?

You: Really.

Stranger: We were voted the worst country to go visit

You: I think that's wrong.

Stranger: But I don't believe that

You: I am sure there are way more messed up failed states in africa.

Stranger: Haha

You: What with all the war and starvation and genocide.

Stranger: Yeah

Stranger: Ooh!

Stranger: There was this time when I started conversations here, there was this guy who does it with his mom

Stranger: He's 19 and his mom is 46 years old

Stranger: *41

You: Heh, that's pretty tame compared to some stuff i

You: v

You: e' run across.

You: Whoops...

Stranger: By the way, what are you doing here?

You: Wasting time while a video loads.

Stranger: Ah, haha

You: You?

Stranger: I'm just bored

You: Yeah, that's pretty much it.

Stranger: I wonder why people go here, if they're not bored

You: Either to post spam, cybersex, or to troll. Along with the bored those would be the main groups.

Stranger: Hmm, point taken

You: I kind of like this question feature.

You: When it

You: it's a decent question.

Stranger: Ohh

Stranger: What's your religion?

You: Atheist.

Stranger: You don't believe that there's a God?

You: Or spirtis, ghosts, or faires.

You: Nope.

Stranger: Why?

You: It doesn't seem resonable to me.

Stranger: How so?

You: That there would be a humanlike omnicient entity controlling the universe.

You: When there is no need to invoke the supernatual in explaining it.

You: That, and all faiths tend to be very.... human.

You: So I just try to do right to my fellow man.

You: And live a decent life.

Stranger: So you don't believe in heaven or hell?

You: No.

You: Just oblivion.

You: A bit depressing, i know, but i just can't fool myself.

Stranger: But then, what if there is heaven and hell

Stranger: Don't you want to go to heaven?

You: If there was a loving god, then hell, as it is commonly believed, would not exist.

You: I feel the concept of pergatory to be more just.

Stranger: God didn't make hell

Stranger: but He did make satan

Stranger: And he knew what's going to happen

Stranger: yet He still made satan

Stranger: because

Stranger: He wants us to prove our faith

You: Faith is something i never had.

Stranger: He wants us to ask for His help when satan comes barging in

Stranger: Faith?

Stranger: you never had one?

Stranger: Well did you have a girlfriend?

You: No.

Stranger: How about parents?

You: Yes.

Stranger: Do believe in them?

You: No.

Stranger: Do you obey them?

You: they are observed and measureable.

You: Verifiable through indipendant research.

You: I don't have to believe in them.

You: Only when it does not conflict with my own morality.

Stranger: But yet again you obey them

Stranger: My point is obeying is believing in them. Cause when you obey, you're sure that it is good. So you believe in them

Stranger: believing is having faith

You: I never said i believed in them.

Stranger: But you said you obey them

You: Comlying avoids dispute, avoids damaging the family.

You: It's more an allaince, really.

You: Symbiotic.

You: Give and take.

Stranger: You said

Stranger: you are think that Philippine's is not the worst country to go to

Stranger: you think*

Stranger: Philippines*

Stranger: That's having faith

You: Like I said, I have not been given evidence that backs up that reputation.

You: Therefore my position is neutral.

Stranger: So if there is heaven or hell.. You're position is still neutral

You: If i cannot be accepted for simply living a decent life, harming no one and helping those in need, then I would welcome hell.

Stranger: Why?

Stranger: Hell is not a pleasant sight

You: As such a heven that excludes based on faith would not be a heven to me.

Stranger: Have you ever fought with someone?

Stranger: and have you ever forgiven that person?

You: Yes.

Stranger: Why did you forgive that person?

You: There was no point in continueing the dispute. It was wasteful.

Stranger: But did that person did something wrong to you?

You: Yes.

You: Eventually the strain of fighting outweighed the offence.

Stranger: You've forgiven that person because you know that he or she will try to stop to do bad things again?

Stranger: to you

You: No.

You: I forgave because there was no point in causing further damage.

You: The cost to benifit was insufficent to continue the dispute.

Stranger: that's still believing. You believe that there was no point anymore

You: It's simple economics.

Stranger: Right you said you don't believe in God

You: I don't believe in the supernatural.

Stranger: That's having faith that there is no supernatural

Stranger: You still have faith

You: Heh, that's a classic.

Stranger: So you agree you do have faith?

You: So not believing in god is a belief?

Stranger: I'm not saying anythign

You: Like bald is a hair colour?

You: Or not collecting stamps is a hobby?

You: Let me reword my position: I have no unfounded faith.

You: No sprititual faith.

Stranger: Sigh

Stranger: Alright

You: I admit i have a kind of faith.

You: The kind of faith that there is a world beyond my own internal experiance.

You: Anything else requires evidence.

Stranger: I don't believe that

Stranger: Not all needs evidences

Stranger: Haha

You: Sadly, such is the way my mind works.

You: Sometimes i wish i could have the conviction of a believer, that everthing will be alright, that the universe is not an apatheic void.

You: Then i start thinking and it falls apart.

Stranger: What do you think?

Stranger: I mean

Stranger: What is it that makes you think that it all falls apart

You: Wishing for something doesn't make it real.

You: The most beautiful fantacies never click with reality.

You: One needs only to look at the very materials we are formed of.

You: Subatomic particals conspire to form atoms.

You: Atoms conspire to form molecules.

You: Molecules conspire to form genes.

You: Genes conspire to form cells.

You: Cells conspire to form animals and plants.

You: At what point does life become specal?

You: At what scale does it take effect?

Stranger: Why are you making this complicated?

You: Because the world is complicated.

Stranger: How is it complicated?

You: Did you not read the above?

Stranger: That's why it is complicated?

You: We are just standing on another layer of scale.

You: What makes living material different from inanimate matter?

You: Chemical reacitons?

You: Is a fire a life, then?

You: Is rust?

You: From the smallest, most basic of components, ating with eachother, arises ever greater complexity.

Stranger: Did you know we have a purpose in this life?

You: Purpouse is a human creation.

Stranger: Our purpose is to follow God and everything will be fine.

Stranger: To accept Him and everything will be good

You: Like i said, I lack the faith to believe that.

Stranger: To share His word and everything will amazing

You: It's like the story of pandora's box.

You: Open the universe's lid, and you can never close it again.

Stranger: What's your point there?

You: The only point I have is what I determine to be my purpouse.

You: It's not intrinsic.

You: If the purpoise of my life is simply to live well, that does not mean that the purpose of all life is to live well.

You: Life exists because it can. It needs no justification.

Stranger: Why don't you try reading the Bible?

You: I did.

You: Have you>

You: ?

You: It's so fundamentally flawed.

Stranger: Until now I am

Stranger: How so?

You: There is so much inconsistency, so much self-contradiction.

You: And it's patched together from earlier religions.

You: If anything, it ahd anthropological and historical value.

You: If something professes itself to be the indesputeable word of god, i expect that it would at least reflect the most basic elements of the world.

Stranger: Wait

You: If a single flaw is discovered, then it is no longer infallable.

Stranger: Did you finish reading the Bible?

You: Yes.

You: Revelations was fun.

Stranger: You read revelations

Stranger: So did you understand everything?

You: Yes and no.

You: I expect i would need chemical assistance to fully get the writer's point of view.

You: As in particuar herbs.

Stranger: Do you believe that you have a brain?

You: From my MRI scan it is farely well documented.

You: All four kilograms of it.

Stranger: MRI scan is just like xray right? lol

You: Magnetic Resonance Imageing. It's a 3D model built to analyse soft tissue.

Stranger: Ah

Stranger: You know not every thing is perfect

You: TUmors, brokenn bones, you name it, it can find it.

Stranger: You never know the MRI scan of yours might be false

You: The trained and sucuessful medical personnel that operated it seemed very confident that the equipment was working.

Stranger: Here.. Watch this

Stranger: www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6yM15pF5Dk

You: It even matched up to material recorded by Da Vinci, duing his autopsy phase.

Stranger: Are you watching it?

You: Yes.

You: From the comments :The argument of the video is wrong

evil is an active act, while cold and darkeness are passive.

man can sit doing nothing. man then choses to do good or evil

the lack of evil can good and the lack of good can evil. but not always

if something is not a good act, it is not necessarily evil

but if something is not lit with light then it HAS to be dark.

good and evil are not mutally exclusive. Moreover, some acts are considered evil by some and good by others.

You: That and Einstien was expelled from high school should indicate his demenour.

You: A genius is just a genius in his area of expertese. Elsewhere he is just as much a fool as the rest of us.

You: I do not trust a Physitian to be an autority on theology.

You: Nor do i trust a Theologan to be an autority on physics.

Stranger: Sigh

Stranger: Alright

Stranger: I just hope someday you'll eventually trust in God

You: You can hope all you want.

You: I'm not stopping you.

Stranger: Haha, alright

You: Still, you were a lot more polite than the usual preachers that come after me. Thanks for that.

Stranger: Well you were the first atheist person I've talked to

Stranger: Oh, and sure

You: I'll respect your right to faith as much as you respect my right to faithlessness.

You: After all, we are all human.

Stranger: Sure

You: I think my video is loaded. Have a good life, Stranger.

Stranger: You too

You have disconnected.

So, yeah. Thoughs?

[id82]

Nice conversation. You said a lot of things better than I ever would. Hopefully you sparked some thoughts in her mind that will make her think a little more later on in life. I can see her chiming in with all of the normal tactics that a theist uses and you handled them pretty well without belittling her.

[andi]

I was pretty sure from the get go that she hadn't talked to many atheists before, and lo and behold, I was right. She seemed like a good kid, really curious if a bit unexperienced when it comes to coming up with decent arguments.

Also, kudos for being polite and smart. The troll population on Omegle is pretty big, so some people would've acted really shitty towards the poor girl.

[Admiral Lithp]

I'd've been a dick.

I made a pie graph of the reasons people go to Omegle before. 10% just sleep. 60% whip their dicks out. Et cetera.

Anyway, slight correction, the whole Einstein story was a myth. Other than that, you got it pretty good.

[Wykked Wytch]

I think you did a great job. The Stranger seemed to be repeating the "magic armor-piercing questions" that zie heard in church, but zie also seemed very open to your explanations. Also, both you and hir were very polite and didn't get too worked up about it. Let's put it this way: Zie didn't say "You're just an atheist because you want to sin", nor did zie try to whip out the Ten Commandments on your ass. That automatically makes hir 99% better than most English-speaking evangelists on the internet.

I don't know if The Way of the Master is popular in the Philippines, though. That might have something to do with it.

[Mira]

I love your username, HFS.

[Admiral Lithp]

I don't know, she didn't seem that receptive to me, but either way.

[sugarfreejazz]

Oct 18, 2011 23:44:59 GMT -5 Mira said:

I love your username, HFS.

STOP CHEATING ON SUPERGREATFRIEND >:

[hiddenfunstuff]

Thanks guys. I have to say, I did not expect it to go for as long as it did. Most anonymous preachers tend to get... worked up and somewhat vulgar. The fact that I don't tend to rise in response usually means a quick disconnection.

Oh, and I learnt the Einstein thing was a myth soon after. Just thought it would be a bit more ironic if I used her video's top rated comment in response.

[lighthorseman]

Great conversation, especially considering the rocky start, I thought it was going to be a 'bot for a porn site.

Still kinda curious to hear more about the guy doing it with his mum though.

[tygerarmy]

You responded very well.

I probably would've went the do you believe in insert random other religion here?
Why not? And repeated it once or twice.

Welcome to the forums!