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Post by Tiger on May 5, 2009 18:29:09 GMT -5
Nobody's trying to stop them from saying what they want to say. They can spew all the hatred they want, but they--and everybody else--have to be prepared to accept the consequences of spreading their hateful messages. Some of those consequences are, "If you're going to keep saying such terrible, disgusting, hateful things, then we won't let you back in anymore." This. It's one thing to imprison people for saying things you don't like. It's another thing entirely to tell foreign hate-mongers to go back where they came from.
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Post by Damen on May 5, 2009 18:34:31 GMT -5
Fundy Fred Phelps (the guy who protests at funerals of gays, liberals, soldiers, and people with AIDS) is banned from entering Britain as he has been placed on a list of people "fostering extremism or hatred." So, to put it simply, he got the:
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Post by wmdkitty on May 5, 2009 18:39:20 GMT -5
Nobody's trying to stop them from saying what they want to say. They can spew all the hatred they want, but they--and everybody else--have to be prepared to accept the consequences of spreading their hateful messages. Some of those consequences are, "If you're going to keep saying such terrible, disgusting, hateful things, then we won't let you back in anymore." This. It's one thing to imprison people for saying things you don't like. It's another thing entirely to tell foreign hate-mongers to go back where they came from. Yes, but even here in the US -- WE DON'T WANT HIM!
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Post by Tiger on May 5, 2009 18:46:09 GMT -5
This. It's one thing to imprison people for saying things you don't like. It's another thing entirely to tell foreign hate-mongers to go back where they came from. Yes, but even here in the US -- WE DON'T WANT HIM! Freedom of speech can be a drag sometimes, but I think it's worth it.
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Post by mistermuncher on May 5, 2009 18:52:56 GMT -5
The only real vexation I have with this is that it only fuels further the clan's delusion that the world opposes them for the deep, abiding Christian love they positively radiate, and so, they'll probably just do it more.
I don't really think this amounts to a free speech issue, and even less so a platform for the wonders of american free speech. As I recall it, the US IRL B& list isn''t exactly minimal either.
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Post by Caitshidhe on May 5, 2009 18:57:51 GMT -5
I just hope that, one by one, places start banishing Phelps like Britain did. Eventually he'll have noplace else to go except for those islands where they test nuclear weapons. Or maybe the moon. I think Phelps would do well on the moon, sans spacesuit.
But yeah, even people HERE are slowly (TOO SLOW FOR ME!) beginning to shun Fred Phelps, and the kind of hatemongering he and the WBC spread. Eventually, it's going to be history--something future generations look back on and go, "Oh my gosh, how did people SURVIVE in that kind of environment?"
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Post by gotpwnt on May 5, 2009 20:42:10 GMT -5
I value freedom of speech too much to support a ban of this sort on Fred Phelps and his followers. I worry about those guys, however: their blog has, in the past few months, gone from annoying to downright scary. With the exception of Phelps himself, I'm not convinced anyone in that church is bad, per se - just really, really fucked up. And he's dragging those people down with him. Belive it or not I agree with this.
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Post by szaleniec on May 5, 2009 21:11:39 GMT -5
I wonder how long it'll take for godhatestheuk.com to go online?
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Post by ltfred on May 5, 2009 21:24:19 GMT -5
Is he banned from Australia? Please tell me he is. This country is relativly fundie free Windshuttle, Albrechtson, Sheridan.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on May 5, 2009 21:35:53 GMT -5
Meh, I'm not in favor of banning the bastards. Let them say what they want, let the Patriot Guard Riders block them from view at funerals and other tragedies, and hope they all die in a plane crash. That's how I see it
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Post by szaleniec on May 5, 2009 21:52:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure what kind of audience Phelps was trying to attract in the UK anyway. Most of our home-grown fundies would consider the message "God Hates Fags" to be inappropriately vulgar even if they agreed with the general sentiment, unless of course they interpreted it as an anti-smoking message.
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Post by Yaezakura on May 5, 2009 22:46:34 GMT -5
I'm all for free speech. But Phelps and his ilk deserve whatever mistreatment they get in whatever form it happens to take. If that means being banned from entire countries, so be it.
I'm still waiting for someone to snap and just but a bullet through the guy's brains. That would be the best news article ever.
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Post by Tiger on May 5, 2009 23:00:38 GMT -5
I'm all for free speech. But Phelps and his ilk deserve whatever mistreatment they get in whatever form it happens to take. If that means being banned from entire countries, so be it. I'm still waiting for someone to snap and just but a bullet through the guy's brains. That would be the best news article ever. And give the fundies a martyr to point to as proof that they're being persecuted? No thanks.
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Post by dasfuchs on May 6, 2009 1:11:18 GMT -5
See, freedom of speech is nice an all, but when you say something, you should be held accountable for it too. It's called Responsabillity.
That's what's going on here, his freedom of speech is catching up to him. He sounds like a hateful bigot that wants to spread that under the guise of love and god. Too bad, so sad
I wouldn't expect anyone to not take action against me for calling them a fag or a nigger, or telling *group of people* they're evil and causing all the problems in the world
On a seperate note, would freedom of expression allow me to whack Phelps in the jaw as a show of my despise for the guy?
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Post by antichrist on May 6, 2009 1:43:01 GMT -5
He was banned from Canada too you know.
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