kzn02
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The Master of Tediousness
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Post by kzn02 on Nov 1, 2011 23:24:44 GMT -5
LinkIt's said they were plotting to attack government buildings and use biological warfare in Atlanta. Still, I'm a little skeptical given the ages (60s to 70s). I just hope that if it was true, at least disaster was averted.
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Nov 1, 2011 23:38:39 GMT -5
The quotes of them talking are pretty hard to ignore, even if they were just bluffing.
Ah, so they're unoriginal as well as senile and crazy. Well, then.
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Post by worlder on Nov 2, 2011 0:22:38 GMT -5
Oh bluffers. Senior citizen bluffers.
Why should I care?
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Post by DarkfireTaimatsu on Nov 2, 2011 0:26:10 GMT -5
The quotes of them talking are pretty hard to ignore, even if they were just bluffing. Ah, so they're unoriginal as well as senile and crazy. Well, then. Apparently they didn't quite live up to the "covert" in their name. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 2, 2011 1:06:44 GMT -5
Freedom of speech is over rated any way.
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Post by ironbite on Nov 2, 2011 1:15:01 GMT -5
...oy
ironbite-can someone else point out what's wrong with what the guy descended from bank tellers?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 2, 2011 1:26:20 GMT -5
Freedom of speech is over rated any way. Yes, everybody should have the freedom to plan terrorist attacks. Action should only be taken when they actually follow through with them. An ounce of cure is worth a pound of prevention, after all! |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 2, 2011 1:43:02 GMT -5
Freedom of speech is over rated any way. Yes, everybody should have the freedom to plan terrorist attacks. I believe people should. Probably more appropriate for the "unpopular political views" thread, but there it is. |
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Post by sylvana on Nov 2, 2011 1:46:08 GMT -5
Yes, everybody should have the freedom to plan terrorist attacks. I believe people should. Probably more appropriate for the "unpopular political views" thread, but there it is. Which is why the FBI generally ignores about 90% of the tips it gets of people 'planning terrorist attacks' every now and again though a case merits investigation such as this. |
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Post by stormwarden on Nov 2, 2011 2:01:01 GMT -5
In the US, there are two elements that have to be there for a crime to have occurred, the Actus Reus (Criminal Act) and the Mens Rea (the intent). Without one or the other, you can't have a crime. NOW, if they were going to carry this out, and the evidence was there, you have a crime. If they were only thinking about it, and weren't making any effort to do so, then there's no crime.
I want to know more facts about the case myself. The statements by themselves are pretty damning. But I'm not Nancy "I'll bust you if you even LOOK guilty" Grace (that will be in Flame and Burn later).
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 2, 2011 3:07:50 GMT -5
Yes, everybody should have the freedom to plan terrorist attacks. I believe people should. Probably more appropriate for the "unpopular political views" thread, but there it is. I'll be sure to let the families of the victims know about that opinion of yours. Oh what a comfort that will be to them. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 2, 2011 3:39:15 GMT -5
I believe people should. Probably more appropriate for the "unpopular political views" thread, but there it is. I'll be sure to let the families of the victims know about that opinion of yours. Oh what a comfort that will be to them. There are no victims from planning anything. Actually doing something, sure. But planning something is not the same as doing something, nor is it even the same as having the intent to do something. |
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 2, 2011 3:44:21 GMT -5
I'll be sure to let the families of the victims know about that opinion of yours. Oh what a comfort that will be to them. There are no victims from planning anything. Actually doing something, sure. But planning something is not the same as doing something, nor is it even the same as having the intent to do something. And how are you supposed to tell if someone has intent to do something before they do it? Isn't the phrase "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure" accurate? |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 2, 2011 4:02:48 GMT -5
There are no victims from planning anything. Actually doing something, sure. But planning something is not the same as doing something, nor is it even the same as having the intent to do something. And how are you supposed to tell if someone has intent to do something before they do it? Well, thats a job for groups like police and military intelligence. Indeed it is. However, "the cure is worse than the disease" may also be accurate. I don't agree with making the discussion of certain topics a thought crime. I think its perfectly fine for people to talk about commiting crime or a violent act if they have no intention of carrying it out. Or would you have every person talking about torturing Jack Chick to death on the internet arrested for conspiracy to murder? |
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Post by Distind on Nov 2, 2011 4:34:35 GMT -5
]Indeed it is. However, "the cure is worse than the disease" may also be accurate. I don't agree with making the discussion of certain topics a thought crime. I think its perfectly fine for people to talk about commiting crime or a violent act if they have no intention of carrying it out. Or would you have every person talking about torturing Jack Chick to death on the internet arrested for conspiracy to murder? You are aware that conspiracy to murder is a crime right? And not a new one. |
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