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Post by Kit Walker on Nov 12, 2011 18:24:42 GMT -5
In what world is saying "A month is way too damn long when you're dealing with things like a terminal disease." the same as 'There should be no screening?' It takes time to get in to see a doctor. Even if you remove the one week waiting period (which I admit, seems a bit unnecessary upon review), it will still likely take two or three weeks from initial diagnosis to get through two screenings. That's assuming there is a fastrack taken, even. I look at this way: If there are no screens whatsoever, depressed people will seek out euthanasia rather than psychological help. If the only requirement is a single terminal diagnosis, then people who are upset and reeling from a diagnosis of Pulmonary Fibrosis, Parkinson's, HIV, etc (all diseases that will kill you eventually but potentially give you years of relatively normal life with treatment) will be able to choose euthanasia when they're not in their best mental state. If you require a couple of levels of screening, it will take more time between diagnosis and the actual euthanasia but you will have reasonable certainty that the people being euthanized actually "need" it. |
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 12, 2011 19:37:04 GMT -5
A month is way too damn long when you're dealing with things like a terminal disease. And if there is no screening process or waiting period, a lot of depressed teenagers will impulsively end their lives for shitty reasons. Euthanasia with a waiting period is better than no euthanasia at all. I just wonder how many depressed teenagers would seek the official outlet to begin with. Let alone being able to obtain parental consent. If the only requirement is a single terminal diagnosis, then people who are upset and reeling from a diagnosis of Pulmonary Fibrosis, Parkinson's, HIV, etc (all diseases that will kill you eventually but potentially give you years of relatively normal life with treatment) will be able to choose euthanasia when they're not in their best mental state. Yeah, I definitely think those who seek euthanasia should wait until their quality of life is actually being compromised before going through with it. And I mean really compromised. |
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Post by Meshakhad on Nov 12, 2011 20:47:59 GMT -5
I never really understood suicide being a crime. Are they going to arrest your corpse? I'm assuming that it applies to attempted suicide, which would make more sense, and then consequently take a nosedive into "ass-backwards" territory. Used to be that attempted suicide was a capital crime. |
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Post by nickiknack on Nov 12, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
I'm all for legalized euthanasia for the termnial ill, but seeing family wither away due to terminal cancer does it to you.
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Post by nightangel1282 on Nov 12, 2011 21:30:03 GMT -5
I never really understood suicide being a crime. Are they going to arrest your corpse? I'm assuming that it applies to attempted suicide, which would make more sense, and then consequently take a nosedive into "ass-backwards" territory. Used to be that attempted suicide was a capital crime. Capital crime??? Does that mean what I THINK it does? That if a person tried killing themselves and lived that they would be put to DEATH?? Please tell me I'm wrong because THAT is fucked... up... |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 12, 2011 22:42:28 GMT -5
It's really a win-win situation, if you think about it.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 12, 2011 22:47:21 GMT -5
Also:
Potterwatcher 1997 says
What idiot thought that brilliant idea up?
Advent Snail says
The Catholic Church.
Potterwatcher 1997 says
That makes sense.
Edit: Rrgh, I need to stop trying to read multiple pages of a thread at the same time, shit gets confusing.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Nov 12, 2011 22:52:07 GMT -5
It's really a win-win situation, if you think about it. Not in the case of parasuicide without intent of death. |
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Post by lexikon on Nov 12, 2011 23:08:41 GMT -5
It's really a win-win situation, if you think about it. Not in the case of parasuicide without intent of death. Not to mention it's possible that the person could have been crazy and been treated. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 12, 2011 23:19:48 GMT -5
It's really a win-win situation, if you think about it. Not in the case of parasuicide without intent of death. It was a joke. |
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Post by nightangel1282 on Nov 13, 2011 14:45:57 GMT -5
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Post by DeadpanDoubter on Nov 13, 2011 15:18:51 GMT -5
Aye, terminal illness should allow you to bypass at least most of the process and waiting period. If you're just a depressed kid who wants out, the waiting period and counseling ought be mandatory. Preserve life, but also remember that that also includes quality of life. We must temper our ethics with empathy...but, we also owe it to ourselves and eachother to temper our empathy with reason. I'm with this. On a slight tangent, I'd also like to note that, in my view, people who've recently acquired or received a diagnosis for a disability need to go through similar counseling as depressed people. They need to be told that it doesn't have to be the end of the world to lose the use of limbs, sight, or hearing and they need to be supported through the transitions. There are a lot of people who, for example, upon entirely losing their hearing or use of limbs opt for suicide because there seems to be no way to live healthy, meaningful lives anymore. Disability is not the end of the world, and they need support to make sure they recognize that. |
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Post by sylvana on Nov 14, 2011 2:11:52 GMT -5
I watched my brother die painfully from extreme melanomas, I fully support euthanasia. Anyone who has seen someone die from cancer can only support euthanasia, because dying like that is just too cruel.
Honestly, the right to control ones life at its most simple level is to have control over one's own life and death. Who are we to deny anyone who wishes to end their own life?
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Post by nightangel1282 on Nov 14, 2011 2:49:00 GMT -5
I watched my brother die painfully from extreme melanomas, I fully support euthanasia. Anyone who has seen someone die from cancer can only support euthanasia, because dying like that is just too cruel. Honestly, the right to control ones life at its most simple level is to have control over one's own life and death. Who are we to deny anyone who wishes to end their own life? I know all about watching somebody die from cancer. We were all at my grandmother's place when she was on her deathbed, and the first time I stepped into her room, I seriously had to turn right back around again because she looked so horrible. I had to calm myself down before going back in there. She couldn't have weighed more than sixty pounds when she died. After seeing the pain she was in, I decided that if I EVER found myself in the same condition, I want someone to just pull the plug. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 14, 2011 3:41:44 GMT -5
I've never seen a person die from cancer, but I do recall my cat hacking up the lining of his trachea.
Yeah, I'd rather not.
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