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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Nov 14, 2011 7:32:27 GMT -5
Frank Miller said this: "Hyperbole" doesn't quite seem strong enough! |
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Post by DarkfireTaimatsu on Nov 14, 2011 8:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 14, 2011 8:39:05 GMT -5
I do think at least some of the OWS phenomena is "fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia". Don't get me wrong, I think the working people of America get an incredibly harsh deal, and are right to complain about it. There do seem to be a significant element of OWS people who are simply joiners, however. Especially so in the Australian version.
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Post by Vene on Nov 14, 2011 10:25:08 GMT -5
I kind of wonder how a movement with 64% of its participants under 34 have nostalgia for a movement which took place over 40 years ago. ETA: lol, math fail. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 14, 2011 11:26:40 GMT -5
I kind of wonder how a movement with 64% of its participants under 34 have nostalgia for a movement which took place over 40 years ago. ETA: lol, math fail. Right... because they havn't grown up on stories about "the resistance" from their parents, and seen the whole movement portrayed in a romantacised, idealised way in endless film and TV. |
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Post by Vene on Nov 14, 2011 11:41:40 GMT -5
I kind of wonder how a movement with 64% of its participants under 34 have nostalgia for a movement which took place over 40 years ago. ETA: lol, math fail. Right... because they havn't grown up on stories about "the resistance" from their parents, and seen the whole movement portrayed in a romantacised, idealised way in endless film and TV. That is a very odd use of the word "nostalgia." |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 14, 2011 11:48:13 GMT -5
Right... because they havn't grown up on stories about "the resistance" from their parents, and seen the whole movement portrayed in a romantacised, idealised way in endless film and TV. That is a very odd use of the word "nostalgia." And, indeed, it probably isn't the word I would have used myself. However I still think that Frank is correct in his view that at least part of the OWS movement is motivated by a desire to relive (re-enact, if you prefer) the Vietnam Moritorium, or civil rights marches, due to the excessive romanticisation and mythologising such events have acrued over the years. |
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Post by Kit Walker on Nov 14, 2011 12:40:07 GMT -5
We expect anything less from the writer of "Holy Terror!"  |
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Post by ironbite on Nov 14, 2011 12:41:51 GMT -5
Oh Frank....  Ironbite-go back to doing that. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 14, 2011 14:26:33 GMT -5
...Shishio?
I really doubt that Woodstock has much of anything to do about it. Really, really doubt that. Woodstock is only seen as romanticized from a relative minority of people. Mostly, it's known for being a place where a bunch of hippies got together & smoked pot. And we all know that THOSE 2 things have such positive connotations. Plus, sex. Who wants to think about their parents having nasty-ass drug-induced sex to bad acoustic guitar & bongo drum music? But, seriously, the real nail in the coffin is that the antagonists of the movement are the ONLY ones mentioning Woodstock.
What's this about stories involving prostitutes?
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Post by the sandman on Nov 14, 2011 15:20:26 GMT -5
What's this about stories involving prostitutes? Frank Miller is a notorious misogynist. He seems utterly incapable of writing any female character at all that is not an utter, shameless parody of a sweaty, sadistic 12-year-old's sex fantasy. His female characters are almost inevitably either prostitutes, rape victims, soul-less dominatrixes, or dentatic boogey(wo)men. I cant' decide if he hates women or is merely terrified of them. Probably both, now that I think about it. For example, his version of Wonder Woman calls men "sperm banks," belittles and berates Green Lantern (while forcing him to use his power ring to pick her coat up off the floor), wants to kill Batman, and alternately spits on and then makes out with Superman in front of the Justice League. His version of Black Canary is a masochistic rape fantasy who routinely crushes men's testicles with her high heels, breaks faces for even looking at her (keep in mind she is dressed like a leather whore), and insists that batman keeps his mask on while they get busy. Look at the women in "Sin City." Every single one of them is either a rape victim, a murder victim, a whore, a child, or a stripper. And the child grows up to be a stripper. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 14, 2011 15:23:26 GMT -5
So he's a comic writer?
Sounds like he has really bizarre masochistic fantasies.
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Post by Runa on Nov 14, 2011 16:11:21 GMT -5
Frank Miller is so fucked in the head that he makes Garth Ennis look almost sane. That being said, I liked '300', film and graphic novel.  |
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Post by ltfred on Nov 14, 2011 16:20:02 GMT -5
However I still think that Frank is correct in his view that at least part of the OWS movement is motivated by a desire to relive (re-enact, if you prefer) the Vietnam Moritorium, or civil rights marches, due to the excessive romanticisation and mythologising such events have acrued over the years. Oh would that it were so. |
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Post by tolpuddlemartyr on Nov 14, 2011 16:33:49 GMT -5
However I still think that Frank is correct in his view that at least part of the OWS movement is motivated by a desire to relive (re-enact, if you prefer) the Vietnam Moritorium, or civil rights marches, due to the excessive romanticisation and mythologising such events have acrued over the years. Or they could simply be a phenomenon known as "protest" in which interested people take to the streets to publicize a cause which has been going on for longer than the flower children. A lot of the protesters do come from the same demographic as the moratorium protesters but coming from the same demographic does not by itself imply that they modern protesters are trying to mimic the Moratorium marches. It's a correlation, not a causation. Before I believe that the protesters are marching because they want to relive the marches of the 60's and 70's I'd like to see some evidence for that claim. |
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