Random Agnostic
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A secularist and religious skeptic.
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Post by Random Agnostic on Nov 20, 2011 11:58:53 GMT -5
I think you all should see this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLYgs0xMDm0&feature=feedlikBasically, if this bill is passed, the government will have the power to shut down (by which I mean completely remove) any websites which so much as mention copyrighted content. Literally nothing would be safe, not even Google or Facebook. It's pretty much the most draconian intellectual-property bill I've ever heard of. Even a single offense would warrant the total removal of a website from the Internet forever. In other words, if this law is passed, it'll suck. Oh, and by the way... due to how this site works, FSTDT would probably be among the first to go. Heh. It's funny. The economy's in the crapper and some out there are paid over 100K to take away the Internet, and our freedoms. Corrupt government for you. Methinks it's time to cut spending.
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Post by nickiknack on Nov 20, 2011 15:19:02 GMT -5
I know, don't want to help people get jobs, but we sure can waste time & money on stupid shit like this and labeling pizza a vegetable.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 15:54:29 GMT -5
Though I can see where you're all coming from in talking about piracy, I should point out that I started this thread because the bill, if passed, would for all intents and purposes have shut down the Internet. I agree. For "some people" though, that's perfectly acceptable collateral damage because "OMG Pirates".
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Post by Kit Walker on Nov 20, 2011 16:04:37 GMT -5
Though I can see where you're all coming from in talking about piracy, I should point out that I started this thread because the bill, if passed, would for all intents and purposes have shut down the Internet. I agree. For "some people" though, that's perfectly acceptable collateral damage because "OMG Pirates". It's insane and way overkill. Kind of like drunk driving checkpoints where they stop everybody. However, that doesn't mean that people causing the problem being over-zealously combated are sinless. And to answer an earlier question - nerds. I hang out with nerds. Nerds who find is amusing I, for instance, waited 12 hours from the American airing and bought Doctor Who from Amazon Unbox when they watched it within a couple of hours of the British airing via torrent.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 16:06:50 GMT -5
I agree. For "some people" though, that's perfectly acceptable collateral damage because "OMG Pirates". It's insane and way overkill. Kind of like drunk driving checkpoints where they stop everybody. However, that doesn't mean that people causing the problem being over-zealously combated are sinless. And that totally justifies sweeping measures that punish the majority for the actions of a minority! Totally! Correction: You hang out with pirates. I'd suggest finding new friends. Because if they're making fun of you for not being a pirate, they're not really friends.
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Post by The Lazy One on Nov 20, 2011 16:09:16 GMT -5
The RIAA is the organization that makes most of those claims. the RIAA is also the same organization that tried to sue for more money than exists in the world, even if you took all the money from everywhere and added it all up. And you expect us to believe that the music industry is really hurting? Really? Also, if this bill passes, I'm going to be working in a bakery for the rest of my life, because it would cripple the IT industry as a whole. In case you haven't realized this, the IT industry (based on the Internet) is basically the backbone of our economy. Think it's bad now? If we shut down the Internet the economy will basically implode, since people won't be able to run their businesses, pay their bills, and purchase things. The way the bill is written now, Google could face charges if they forgot to remove a link to a blog that links to the Pirate Bay. Think about that for a minute. Goddammit, if I wanted to live in North Korea I'd fucking move to North Korea! You want the government to tell you what you can and cannot access? Then feel free to GTFO. I'll even buy your plane ticket.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 16:16:53 GMT -5
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Post by Kit Walker on Nov 20, 2011 17:12:19 GMT -5
And that totally justifies sweeping measures that punish the majority for the actions of a minority! Totally! Have I actually said that any of these overly sweeping measures, especially the legislation, was a good idea? I don't think so. I've said it is understandable, I've said this is what they feel is necessary to prevent their product from being stolen, and I will even say that it is more than a little unfair to people who buy the product legally and expect it to be easy to use. However, "it's haaaaaaarrrrdddd" doesn't justify turning to piracy and none of these measures would be happening if piracy hadn't entered an age where illegal copies are completely free and available to millions of people. I'd believe you correction if I knew more than five people who didn't illegally download anything. Seriously. Not just friends, acquaintances and classmates too. Oh shut up. You and your friends never tease each other? Good-natured ribbing? This is a wholly alien concept to you? So I can steal Bill Gates' wallet then? Losing the, what, couple hundred bucks TOPS he would carry in cash wouldn't even begin to hurt him, after all.
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Post by Thejebusfire on Nov 20, 2011 17:16:59 GMT -5
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Post by RavynousHunter on Nov 20, 2011 17:32:42 GMT -5
I'll let my good friend Marc0 (AKA: Armake21) speak for me, if ya don't mind.
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Post by syaoranvee on Nov 20, 2011 17:37:31 GMT -5
If I pirate a game and never buy it the company that made it makes no money off of me...but the same thing happens if I buy a game second hand. Should buying second hand games be illegal? What about if I lend my friend a game and he plays it all the way through and never buys it...is that illegal? Second hand games are minute compared to pirating off the internet and I don't agree with them either. A second hand game may be bought somewhere between 1-5 times in it's entirety. The game was bought legally the first time, and it's distributiver still makes a money off of the game being sold multiple times. Let's take note of something here: This is the list of the highest downloaded DS games on a single rom site. Let's make a example of the highest downloaded game, although this ROM likely came out the same day the game did, for the sake of the arguement, I'll say that every copy downloaded was worth 20$ the current worth of most DS games. One copy was bought legally, obviously to get the rom so we're take 20$ off, however the leaves us with 36,892,120$. 36 million potential dollars stolen from companies from a single game on a single rom site on a internet of hundreds if not thousands of rom sites. Companies have the right to protect their products the way they want, if people strive to overleap those boundaries they will take more drastics actions to combat as you're seeing here and I can't blame them one bit.
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Post by ironbite on Nov 20, 2011 17:38:49 GMT -5
So by fucking over the rest of the world, at least those companies get to protect their products right?
Ironbite-cause you know, nobody's gonna have any money when the world goes kaput.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Nov 20, 2011 17:53:26 GMT -5
Let's make a example of the highest downloaded game, although this ROM likely came out the same day the game did, for the sake of the arguement, I'll say that every copy downloaded was worth 20$ the current worth of most DS games. One copy was bought legally, obviously to get the rom so we're take 20$ off, however the leaves us with 36,892,120$. 36 million potential dollars stolen from companies from a single game on a single rom site on a internet of hundreds if not thousands of rom sites. >Making the assumption that everyone who downloaded a ROM didn't go out and buy the game later. That alone throws your statistics off balance. The fact of the matter is, some people pirate to try a game out to make sure that it's worth the price. When they find they enjoy it, they drop the shitty, glitchy ROM and then buy the game legitly so they can play it without the glitches caused by emulation. Or, you know, people pirate the game expecting it to be cheap, get tired of the glitches/slowdown/audio issues, and then buy the game anyways. For the record, you can't claim "that's money still lost!" because the potential money that is actually lost is per customer, not per download. If a ROM downloader went out and bought the game, then that money is no longer lost. If each person downloaded the ROM 5 times for whatever reason, then that cuts the amount of lost money down to a mere fifth of what it was. Instead of basing it per download, you'd have to base it per customer downloading it. Oh yeah, and by the way. Wow. You actually think people should not have the right to resell games. That alone says more about you than anything else you've said in this topic. Not to mention that, no, the original distributor does not make money off of each resale. I have no idea where you got that. I mean, people sell games on Amazon, on eBay, in person, and Nintendo nor Gamestop nor Walmart will ever see a penny of that.
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Post by syaoranvee on Nov 20, 2011 18:02:43 GMT -5
If a person buys a second-handed game from Gamestop, Gamestop gets the money, they are distributor of games, which at the very least helps them continue to sell games as by making a profit, with piracy there's not even that.
By your logic, I can steal a game from Target, then come back the next day and buy a copy of the game and that somehow makes it all better. No, that just means you have a stolen copy of a game and a legit copy of a game and it's still against the law.
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Post by lexikon on Nov 20, 2011 18:11:16 GMT -5
If I steal a game from Target, we should demolish the road I took.
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