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Post by stormwarden on Nov 24, 2011 3:04:34 GMT -5
www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-separatingcookcou,0,2340049.story Two IL pols have filed a motion to have Chicago become a separate state from the rest of IL. They're doing it because they feel Chicago is deciding too much policy for the surrounding area. The problem's the US Constitution. States can't split apart to form separate states. (And before someone brings up West Virginia: West Virginia split from Virginia in 1863, while Virginia was a part of the Confederacy. It's the sole exception)
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Post by cestlefun17 on Nov 24, 2011 3:08:37 GMT -5
This isn't true, provided that both the state legislature and Congress approve it. Nevertheless, it's a stupid and nonsensical idea. There are lots of states with big cities in them: we're going to make every large city in the country its own state?
If Chicago is deciding too much policy for the surrounding area, change the laws instead (perhaps give greater control to municipalities?). This seems like a much less invasive way to solve the problem.
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Post by Iosa the Invincible on Nov 24, 2011 4:53:19 GMT -5
Hey, at least Chicago is part of the same state as them. I live in northwest Indiana (which is still considered part of the Chicagoland area), and I know more about Illinoise/Chicago politics than I do my own state because all of our "local" networking comes from Chicago. This means that all political advertising are for Illinoise governors/politicians/Chicago mayors etc. We're swamped with campaign ads for people we can't even vote for and who have no effect on our local government. It's said to be the reason why this part of Indiana tends to be more blue in an otherwise red state, to the point where, if my freshman English teacher is to be believed, the rest of the state generally looks down on this area.
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Post by Meshakhad on Nov 24, 2011 14:18:23 GMT -5
There is, in fact, precedent for a state being split in two. Maine used to be part of Massachusetts.
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Post by discoberry on Nov 24, 2011 19:33:50 GMT -5
There is, in fact, precedent for a state being split in two. Maine used to be part of Massachusetts. Vermont and New Hampshire |
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Post by nickiknack on Nov 24, 2011 20:48:12 GMT -5
Hey, at least Chicago is part of the same state as them. I live in northwest Indiana (which is still considered part of the Chicagoland area), and I know more about Illinoise/Chicago politics than I do my own state because all of our "local" networking comes from Chicago. This means that all political advertising are for Illinoise governors/politicians/Chicago mayors etc. We're swamped with campaign ads for people we can't even vote for and who have no effect on our local government. It's said to be the reason why this part of Indiana tends to be more blue in an otherwise red state, to the point where, if my freshman English teacher is to be believed, the rest of the state generally looks down on this area. Same here, I live a little ways north of NYC, and we're swamped with political ads from not only NYC, but ones from NJ, & CT too. |
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Post by Paradox on Nov 25, 2011 20:42:48 GMT -5
This isn't surprising. Such sentiments pop up with some regularity in many major cities. In particular many people have suggested that New York City go their own way. It's never come to anything with cities like this though.
I am also obliged to point out Virginia and West Virginia.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Nov 25, 2011 22:09:34 GMT -5
I am also obliged to point out Virginia and West Virginia. That was a Civil War thing, though. Apples and oranges. Chicago only wants to secede from the state, not the country. |
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Post by ironbite on Nov 25, 2011 22:17:55 GMT -5
Other way around.
Ironbite-the state wants Chicago to secede from the State.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Nov 25, 2011 22:25:57 GMT -5
Other way around. Ironbite-the state wants Chicago to secede from the State. Ah. I stand corrected. *nods* Thanks. Still, my basic point stands. Chicago would (if this measure is theoretically enacted) become a new state, not a new nation (or part of one, as Virginia was but West Virginia wasn't). |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 25, 2011 22:28:40 GMT -5
We have 6 states and a handful of territories on a land mass the size of the US. We all think you're nuts.
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Post by Vene on Nov 25, 2011 22:34:46 GMT -5
We have 6 states and a handful of territories on a land mass the size of the US. We all think you're nuts. You guys have a nearly nonexistent population density. |
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Post by lighthorseman on Nov 25, 2011 22:42:52 GMT -5
We have 6 states and a handful of territories on a land mass the size of the US. We all think you're nuts. You guys have a nearly nonexistent population density. Which is fairly evenly distributed. |
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Post by priestling on Nov 25, 2011 22:47:19 GMT -5
We have 6 states and a handful of territories on a land mass the size of the US. We all think you're nuts. You guys have a nearly nonexistent population density. Saved me from having to say it. |
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Post by big_electron on Nov 25, 2011 23:19:49 GMT -5
the teabaggers of southern Illinois will want Chicago back come April 15 of any year.
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