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Post by czechmate on Dec 15, 2011 7:06:53 GMT -5
There's something missing in that list. But I can't quite put my juice down in order to figure it out. Several things conveniently missing....... 100 million Native Americans since 1492 by military action and the DELIBERATE introduction of Smallpox through pre-infected blankets. 30 million of the Northern Tribes (principally Scandinavia) to "convert" them to Christianity. 35 million in the Hussian Wars. 18 million "converting" the Polynesians. 7 million"converting" the Philipinoes. There are many others to list, but basically Christianity has slaughtered roughly 1630 people PER DAY since 325 AD to the present day. Now referring to the "Atheist" list.... The French Revolution was against injustice as were the Russian and Chinese revolutions. Religion was a minor issue as it was in the American Civil War. Stalin, bastard though he was, was fighting a war of attrition against the Nazis. During WW2 the Russian Army lost almost 9 million soldiers saving Eastern Europe - and the Allies. Stalin was a racist who basically got rid of anyone who wasn't a Georgian. Pol Pot came into power because the USA dropped more bombs on NEUTRAL Cambodia than all the wars of the 20th century combined. Thus he was a creation of God-fearing America.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 15, 2011 7:38:26 GMT -5
My post was a reference to Hipster Hitler, since nobody seems to have gotten it.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Dec 15, 2011 16:08:05 GMT -5
Hipster Hitler sucks so I think that helps to explain it.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Dec 16, 2011 0:17:04 GMT -5
Hipster Hitler makes me chuckle.
You can really stop right there. Stalin was a total bastard. Yeah, Hitler was a threat to his country, but Stalin's way of "defending" it probably did more damage to it than Hitler ever would have. Then he became even more of an asshole after Hitler lost, because he didn't have THAT asshole to keep him in line.
See, I'm totally cool with the Fundies saying the revolution was done through unjust means. I just want them to get better reasons for WHY it was. Hell, I might even be with them on that one.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 16, 2011 0:29:10 GMT -5
Is Charlemagne on that list?
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Dec 16, 2011 0:39:13 GMT -5
Fundie response:
Charlemange isn't a true Christian & God is a utilitarian asshole.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 16, 2011 10:55:42 GMT -5
Lithp is right about Stalin, and the famines like Holodomor really adds up to Stalin's 'killcount'.
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Dec 16, 2011 10:59:15 GMT -5
Except Landover is a Poe. The argument has been used before though. Anyway I've never really gotten a satisfactory creationist answer for my 11th finger. I knew it was a poe, but I didn't know that argument was real. Who actually said that? I forget. But I've been here 5 years now and I've heard them all by now, I hope.
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Post by czechmate on Dec 17, 2011 4:18:30 GMT -5
Hipster Hitler makes me chuckle. You can really stop right there. Stalin was a total bastard. Yeah, Hitler was a threat to his country, but Stalin's way of "defending" it probably did more damage to it than Hitler ever would have. Then he became even more of an asshole after Hitler lost, because he didn't have THAT asshole to keep him in line. No, I won't stop there as I know what I'm talking about. I fought in the Czech Resistance in WW2 and several members of my family flew with the Royal Air Force. Thus I knew Hitler, the hero of the Vatican. My point was that was a Georgian, and like Georgians of the times were hell-bent on inflicting revenge on the Russians, for what they did to them in the 2nd century AD. He was never a Communist since communism does not have a leadership structure giving power to one person. He wanted power for his own satisfaction, no matter what the cost.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 17, 2011 4:51:05 GMT -5
Except y'know... helping to fight the Nazis doesn't suddenly make all his evils vanish.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say. That you can forgive a bigot for fighting against a different bigot? Because really, he used fighting against the Nazis as an excuse to wipe away the people he disliked. The casualty count could have been a lot lower on the USSR side if he hadn't been such a fucking bigot.
And getting revenge doesn't make it any more forgivable either.
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Post by czechmate on Dec 17, 2011 13:14:09 GMT -5
Except y'know... helping to fight the Nazis doesn't suddenly make all his evils vanish. I really don't understand what you're trying to say. That you can forgive a bigot for fighting against a different bigot? Because really, he used fighting against the Nazis as an excuse to wipe away the people he disliked. The casualty count could have been a lot lower on the USSR side if he hadn't been such a fucking bigot. And getting revenge doesn't make it any more forgivable either. I'm afraid that was Stalin's mindset. His people were just as much prisoners as were his foes. Chechins, for instance, who were wounded in battle were sent back to Russian and were routinely shot upon arrival. The same fate awaited heroes who he percieved as potential rivals. Unfortunately (for you) I was there and you were not, and know exactly what we, and the common Russian soldiery had to endure. Hitler was a monster who destroyed everything he touched as well as destroying everything he had to leave behind in order to leave us nothing. WW2 was an experience you never had to endure, which makes your comments on its morality absolutely meaningless. 9/11 was but a snowflake on top of a very large iceberg by comparison. Tyrants will always exist whether they are waving a Bible or not. Extremeism feeds of media coverage, and its justification is usually backed up by using a Holy book to cherry-pick from.
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Post by Iosa the Invincible on Dec 17, 2011 21:10:22 GMT -5
You know what I hate? How people in the US throw the word socialism around like it carries the same weight as Nazi or communist. Like when they list all the things wrong with this country, they'll talk about corrupt politicians, fascism, and then throw socialism in their like its the worst thing to happen to the US ever. It's not that socialism is perfect or that it's without its flaws, but it's the general attitude that anything not capitalism is bad, and even the slightest change in economic policy that's not purely capitalist is bad (i.e. universal healthcare). I also suspect that many people in the US not only don't know the difference between communism and socialism, they don't care, since, like I said, if it's not capitalism (oh, I'm sorry, "free market"), it's bad.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 17, 2011 23:00:16 GMT -5
Another thing: Atheists can't understand the Bible because they don't believe in God.
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Post by czechmate on Dec 18, 2011 4:40:32 GMT -5
Another thing: Atheists can't understand the Bible because they don't believe in God. Or put more correctly: Christians believe in God because they read the Bible. Atheists don't believe in God because they understand the Bible.
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Post by czechmate on Dec 18, 2011 4:46:50 GMT -5
You know what I hate? How people in the US throw the word socialism around like it carries the same weight as Nazi or communist. Like when they list all the things wrong with this country, they'll talk about corrupt politicians, fascism, and then throw socialism in their like its the worst thing to happen to the US ever. It's not that socialism is perfect or that it's without its flaws, but it's the general attitude that anything not capitalism is bad, and even the slightest change in economic policy that's not purely capitalist is bad (i.e. universal healthcare). I also suspect that many people in the US not only don't know the difference between communism and socialism, they don't care, since, like I said, if it's not capitalism (oh, I'm sorry, "free market"), it's bad. Hole in one! Communism in its true form is an Israeli Kibbutz. As for socialism, the way the Tea Party members act to help each other is Socialism in action. Perhaps the schools in the USA should try teaching English as a subject...
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