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Post by ironbite on Dec 22, 2011 18:40:08 GMT -5
According to my great-grandmother's maiden name, I am descended from Hercules. Worship me. Will do. And might I say Hercules never had as nice an ass as you do? Ironbite-and I'm not just saying that to get more pictures of it...ok I am.
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Post by N. De Plume on Dec 22, 2011 19:13:55 GMT -5
And if God is both omnibenevolent and omnipotent, wouldn’t he prevent people from submitting them from an eternity of self-inflicted torture? A self-inflicted hell would pretty well require that God is missing at least one of those qualities. From what I've seen, their explanation goes back to free will and how God can't control that. Then God would not be omnipotent, as there would be something he cannot do.
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Post by Wykked Wytch on Dec 22, 2011 22:20:37 GMT -5
But Vene said he would only believe in Demigods, which mean that they couldn't have descended from a God, since he doesn't believe in Gods. Unless it doesn't exclude the belief that God is dead. If demigods are half-gods, and if you worship two demigods, does that mean you actually worship one god? /troll logic
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Post by Sigmaleph on Dec 22, 2011 22:30:09 GMT -5
But Vene said he would only believe in Demigods, which mean that they couldn't have descended from a God, since he doesn't believe in Gods. Unless it doesn't exclude the belief that God is dead. As long as it's just an issue of belief, it's not necessarily a problem. The human mind is able to hold two contradictory ideas simultaneously, such as "Gods don't exist" and "Demigods that are descended from gods are real."
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Post by czechmate on Dec 23, 2011 2:36:25 GMT -5
From what I've seen, their explanation goes back to free will and how God can't control that. Then God would not be omnipotent, as there would be something he cannot do. Fundie quote: "God is testing us" This quote is oxymoronic. An omnipotent, all-seeing, all-knowing being ALREADY KNOWS what the result of any "test" would be and what our reaction would be. Thus if He-She-It finds it necessary to test, He-She-It is not omnipotent.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 23, 2011 2:37:42 GMT -5
God is a Troll.
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Post by Meshakhad on Dec 23, 2011 2:40:52 GMT -5
That could technically work if the Hell is self-inflicted, although most people who shout that believe in the fiery torture chamber from Dante's Inferno. Although I have to see a sound explanation on how Hell can be self-inflicted. And if God is both omnibenevolent and omnipotent, wouldn’t he prevent people from submitting them from an eternity of self-inflicted torture? A self-inflicted hell would pretty well require that God is missing at least one of those qualities. Yet another reason why I have issues with eternal damnation. At least in Gehenna, you're supposed to be atoning for your sins. Once you've suffered enough, you go to heaven. It's a justice system.
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Post by oftenpartisan on Dec 23, 2011 6:58:50 GMT -5
I hate "god has a plan for your life".
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Post by N. De Plume on Dec 23, 2011 9:25:38 GMT -5
Thus if He-She-It finds it necessary to test, He-She-It is not omnipotent. Kinda funny how it keeps on coming back to that, isn’t it? ;D
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Post by The_L on Dec 23, 2011 10:08:35 GMT -5
Then God would not be omnipotent, as there would be something he cannot do. Fundie quote: "God is testing us" This quote is oxymoronic. An omnipotent, all-seeing, all-knowing being ALREADY KNOWS what the result of any "test" would be and what our reaction would be. Thus if He-She-It finds it necessary to test, He-She-It is not omnipotent. No, technically omniscience and omnipotence are two different things.
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Post by Mlle Antéchrist on Dec 23, 2011 11:05:10 GMT -5
I knew it! Trent Reznor is God! ;D Welp, "Closer" just took on a whole new meaning...
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Post by N. De Plume on Dec 23, 2011 12:51:11 GMT -5
Fundie quote: "God is testing us" This quote is oxymoronic. An omnipotent, all-seeing, all-knowing being ALREADY KNOWS what the result of any "test" would be and what our reaction would be. Thus if He-She-It finds it necessary to test, He-She-It is not omnipotent. No, technically omniscience and omnipotence are two different things. True, you can be omniscient without being omnipotent. But an omnipotent, non-omniscient being, would be quite capable of granting itself omniscience. The question is: what reason would an omnipotent, omnibenevolent deity have to not grant itself omniscience, when such a power would be of clear benefit in caring for its creation?
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Dec 23, 2011 13:49:51 GMT -5
Thus if He-She-It finds it necessary to test, He-She-It is not omnipotent. Kinda funny how it keeps on coming back to that, isn’t it? ;D "God isn't testing you for HIS benefit, he's testing you for YOUR benefit" ...From that fundie side of me that I've kept locked away so I can pull stuff out for when it's funny.
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Post by Rat Of Steel on Dec 23, 2011 13:55:23 GMT -5
...From that fundie side of me that I've kept locked away so I can pull stuff out for when it's funny. How do you do that, yet still keep the rest of you reasonably sane?
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Post by Shane for Wax on Dec 23, 2011 13:58:54 GMT -5
"You haven't studied the Bible as much as I have, I think I know what's in it."
Cue proving this statement false after a lot of questions.
Guess what, dickwad? I did read the Bible quite thoroughly. Just because my favorite part is Revelations doesn't mean I don't know anything else about what's in it.
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