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Post by Shane for Wax on Nov 29, 2011 19:58:59 GMT -5
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Post by Her3tiK on Nov 29, 2011 20:08:15 GMT -5
Horses = bad. Cows/chickens/pigs = good. Gotcha.
Why is this a big deal?
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Post by Shane for Wax on Nov 29, 2011 20:11:49 GMT -5
Horses = bad. Cows/chickens/pigs = good. Gotcha. Why is this a big deal? 1) Lots of violations in safety and everything else when it comes to the horse meat. (this was documented during the Texas horse meat stuff as well as before it was banned in most places in the US) 2) Cruelty done to the horses before the slaughter. 3) Horses often have medications in their systems that are not medications that will sit right with a human's physiology. They are horrible at tracking this, so therefore horse meat can cause bad things in a human body. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Nov 29, 2011 20:12:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't care what made it to the plate as long as it was humanely kept and killed. I have a huge problem with animal cruelty.
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Post by N. De Plume on Nov 29, 2011 20:15:38 GMT -5
Horses = bad. Cows/chickens/pigs = good. Gotcha. Why is this a big deal? 1) Lots of violations in safety and everything else when it comes to the horse meat. (this was documented during the Texas horse meat stuff as well as before it was banned in most places in the US) 2) Cruelty done to the horses before the slaughter. 3) Horses often have medications in their systems that are not medications that will sit right with a human's physiology. They are horrible at tracking this, so therefore horse meat can cause bad things in a human body. Why not fix these problems rather than ban it outright? |
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Post by Her3tiK on Nov 29, 2011 20:16:55 GMT -5
1) E. Coli, SARS, Mad cow disease. Kinda an unavoidable part of any food service.
2) Pretty sure factory farm animals don't fare a whole lot better
3) See 2.
I'm not trying to sound snarky, but it's been a long day and eloquence isn't forthcoming.
It feels really weird to even be arguing this as a vegetarian.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Nov 29, 2011 20:17:24 GMT -5
People have been trying to stop factory farming from being cruel for years, but it's still seem as okay to start processing an animal while it's still alive if it means the meat will be produced faster and cheaper.
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Post by Shane for Wax on Nov 29, 2011 20:18:19 GMT -5
1) Lots of violations in safety and everything else when it comes to the horse meat. (this was documented during the Texas horse meat stuff as well as before it was banned in most places in the US) 2) Cruelty done to the horses before the slaughter. 3) Horses often have medications in their systems that are not medications that will sit right with a human's physiology. They are horrible at tracking this, so therefore horse meat can cause bad things in a human body. Why not fix these problems rather than ban it outright? That is the problem isn't it? They didn't try to fix the problems that horse meat consumption had before it was banned. Nor did they seem to care about changing it when it was banned (the medication part, etc.,). One of the reasons it was banned was because they didn't do a very good job at keeping tabs on which horses got which medicine. Therefore you have no idea if Horse A got so-and-so and Horse B didn't and can be served on a plate. EVEN IF we weren't bringing in human consumption into it, isn't it a smart idea to keep tabs on which horse got what medicine anyways? @heretik- SARS, etc., doesn't fall under what I was talking about. |
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Nov 29, 2011 21:19:10 GMT -5
I've wanted to say this for a long time, and this seems the place.
People who have to eat animals that were alive and awake when their throats were cute because of religion...fuck you. I hope reincarnation is real and you're born as an animal that has just this done to it. You'd deserve it. An animal shouldn't have to die horribly just for your piece of shit beliefs.
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Post by Tenfold_Maquette on Nov 29, 2011 21:42:58 GMT -5
People who have to eat animals that were alive and awake when their throats were cute because of religion...fuck you. I hope reincarnation is real and you're born as an animal that has just this done to it. You'd deserve it. An animal shouldn't have to die horribly just for your piece of shit beliefs. I agree with you in a general sense, but having their throat cut while awake/alive is better than what they'd get in the wild - dragged to ground after a frantic chase, often eaten while still alive - and is comparatively humane, or at least swift. People who cut and eat bits off a still-living animal, or skin/boil animals alive because it's quicker? Yeah, they can fuck off. |
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Post by Vene on Nov 29, 2011 22:01:05 GMT -5
1) E. Coli, SARS, Mad cow disease. Kinda an unavoidable part of any food service. SARS is respiratory, not food-borne. Mad cow is a result of bad practices and 100% preventable. E. coli can be easily solved by washing raw food (and what comes into contact with raw food), cooking food properly, and washing your fucking hands. Oh, and the problems Shane brought up were medications, not diseases. Your entire argument is attempting to kill a strawman. What makes it even better is that it didn't even accomplish that goal. |
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Post by Her3tiK on Nov 29, 2011 22:21:38 GMT -5
1) E. Coli, SARS, Mad cow disease. Kinda an unavoidable part of any food service. SARS is respiratory, not food-borne. Mad cow is a result of bad practices and 100% preventable. E. coli can be easily solved by washing raw food (and what comes into contact with raw food), cooking food properly, and washing your fucking hands. Oh, and the problems Shane brought up were medications, not diseases. Your entire argument is attempting to kill a strawman. What makes it even better is that it didn't even accomplish that goal. I may have been thinking of something else with the SARS thing. I'll admit to not having paid much attention when that was the scare of the week. The last two still prove my point. Saying horses are dangerous to eat because safety regulations are sometimes violated wouldn't make it a whole lot different from any other meat product. |
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Post by Vene on Nov 29, 2011 22:25:25 GMT -5
SARS is respiratory, not food-borne. Mad cow is a result of bad practices and 100% preventable. E. coli can be easily solved by washing raw food (and what comes into contact with raw food), cooking food properly, and washing your fucking hands. Oh, and the problems Shane brought up were medications, not diseases. Your entire argument is attempting to kill a strawman. What makes it even better is that it didn't even accomplish that goal. I may have been thinking of something else with the SARS thing. I'll admit to not having paid much attention when that was the scare of the week. The last two still prove my point. Saying horses are dangerous to eat because safety regulations are sometimes violated wouldn't make it a whole lot different from any other meat product. I really have to wonder why I should bother listening to somebody who doesn't understand food safety. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Nov 29, 2011 23:19:11 GMT -5
Well, it says it was only recently legalized, so I'm not sure it's fair to say that poor regulations prove it's bad.
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Post by brendanrizzo on Nov 29, 2011 23:22:20 GMT -5
I never understood the knee-jerk reaction a lot of people (who are not otherwise vegetarians) have against eating horses. They don't see a problem with eating similar animals, and well, an animal is an animal. Right now I'm just angry that Congress is wasting even more time with things that have nothing to do with solving the country's woes.
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