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Post by Vene on Dec 17, 2011 18:42:47 GMT -5
The gap is 7% now. At this rate, "yes" should overcome "no" sometime tomorrow at the latest, provided they don't close the poll and whine that dem queerz sabotaged it (or just remove it and pretend it never happened), like the past 8,327,482 times bigots made an anti-LGBT online poll and lost. These jackasses never learn. Wait, if that's the case, why bother voting at all? Because it's funny.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 17, 2011 18:46:17 GMT -5
This goes far beyond things like facial/body hair and breast development, as the hormones during puberty also change bone structure, such as the width and tilt of the pelvis and the broadness of the shoulders. Is it possible to change this? Because my right half weighs 15 lbs more than my left half, so this is probably something I'm going to have to fix anyways. Also, don't hormone blockers interfere with hair growth?
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Post by Smurfette Principle on Dec 17, 2011 19:13:00 GMT -5
...I was going to answer this, but I won't. Because I just know it's going to derail into another flamewar about you abusing hormone blockers.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 17, 2011 19:19:00 GMT -5
Can you answer the part about changing the structure bones or whatever? Or was that answered in "invasive surgeries"?
If we don't have this technology now, we might in the future. My arm was supposed to be strengthened by sawing part of my shoulder and placed it onto my humerus. Well it failed, but that was becasue the surgeon was crappy.
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Post by MaybeNever on Dec 17, 2011 19:28:32 GMT -5
Needs more votes. "Yes" is still behind by about 13%. The gap is 7% now. At this rate, "yes" should overcome "no" sometime tomorrow at the latest, provided they don't close the poll and whine that dem queerz sabotaged it (or just remove it and pretend it never happened), like the past 8,327,482 times bigots made an anti-LGBT online poll and lost. These jackasses never learn. Well, you know what they say: the eight million three hundred twenty-seven thousand four hundred eighty-third time's a charm!
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Post by Vene on Dec 17, 2011 20:13:33 GMT -5
This goes far beyond things like facial/body hair and breast development, as the hormones during puberty also change bone structure, such as the width and tilt of the pelvis and the broadness of the shoulders. Is it possible to change this? Because my right half weighs 15 lbs more than my left half, so this is probably something I'm going to have to fix anyways. Also, don't hormone blockers interfere with hair growth? On the bone thing: You've already developed, sex hormones won't do shit and I doubt they'd do shit about that anything. It's probably an entirely different biological system. As for them interfering with hair growth; not that I know of, much to the chagrin of MtF transsexuals.
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Post by itachirumon on Dec 17, 2011 20:25:25 GMT -5
I'm sure it's just my own ignorance but that sounds kind of...impossible. A 15 lb imbalance? But.. I'm just making note, I'm stayin' out of this.
Edit - gap's at 5% now with my vote, if we count the "whatevers" too, we've technnically won.
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Post by N. De Plume on Dec 17, 2011 20:26:25 GMT -5
The gap is 7% now. At this rate, "yes" should overcome "no" sometime tomorrow at the latest, provided they don't close the poll and whine that dem queerz sabotaged it (or just remove it and pretend it never happened), like the past 8,327,482 times bigots made an anti-LGBT online poll and lost. These jackasses never learn. Wait, if that's the case, why bother voting at all? If it's mostly "yes", then they'll call foul; if it's mostly "no", then they'll just boast, "see? the American people has spoken!". Because it is easier to stand them crying foul than letting them get an ego boost from it.
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Post by itachirumon on Dec 17, 2011 20:27:58 GMT -5
Because they're like Peggy Hill with those ego boosts, you give them a little bump they think they're champions.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 17, 2011 20:43:25 GMT -5
Is it possible to change this? Because my right half weighs 15 lbs more than my left half, so this is probably something I'm going to have to fix anyways. Also, don't hormone blockers interfere with hair growth? On the bone thing: You've already developed, sex hormones won't do shit and I doubt they'd do shit about that anything. It's probably an entirely different biological system. As for them interfering with hair growth; not that I know of, much to the chagrin of MtF transsexuals. From what I heard, androgen blockers help reduce body hair. I was refering to surgery for skeletal structure, such as shoulder width, or maybe just facial features. It seems kind of dangerous to me. I'm sure it's just my own ignorance but that sounds kind of...impossible. A 15 lb imbalance? But.. I'm just making note, I'm stayin' out of this. Keep your arm in a sling for two years and see what happens.
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Post by Vene on Dec 17, 2011 21:07:13 GMT -5
On the bone thing: You've already developed, sex hormones won't do shit and I doubt they'd do shit about that anything. It's probably an entirely different biological system. As for them interfering with hair growth; not that I know of, much to the chagrin of MtF transsexuals. From what I heard, androgen blockers help reduce body hair. They make it finer and softer, but that's about it. The only thing that comes to mind is facial feminization surgery, and I don't know much about it.
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Post by A Reasonable Rat on Dec 17, 2011 21:36:56 GMT -5
My opinion is this: A child at 11 knows something's wrong. If the parents trust and know their child well, they should be the ones to make the decision if the child really wants the process. At this age it should be hormonal only. When the child is 18, the hormonal treatments are still reversible. By switching them, a late native-gender puberty is possible if the child changes his or her mind at the age of majority.
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Post by Art Vandelay on Dec 17, 2011 21:49:24 GMT -5
I say let any transgendered kids talk to a endocrinologist or any other specialists involved in transitioning. If said specialist agrees that they understand exactly what they're doing and still want to go through with it, than proceed regardless of age. I know it's not perfect and even experts can make mistakes, but I do think it's better than an arbitrary age threshold.
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Post by queenofhearts on Dec 17, 2011 22:52:14 GMT -5
My opinion is this: A child at 11 knows something's wrong. This, FTW. I knew something was wrong at four and other transpeople I've talked to say from as early as they can remember. If the child is 11 and identifies as trans, then yes they should be able to seek the proper counseling and doctors to begin transition. Ironic though, they put 11 as the threshold figuring it would make the child too young to make their decision and in reality at 11 I am certain the child knows enough about themselves to make their own decisions.
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Post by lexikon on Dec 17, 2011 22:59:37 GMT -5
I think it is a good idea to teach children about this stuff early on. IIRC I didn't know what transexuals were when I was 11. It would have really helped.
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