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Post by Thejebusfire on Jun 16, 2009 22:08:46 GMT -5
You just have to look at their death tolls to confirm who's more evil. [url=http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-many-has-god-killed-revised.html ] [/url][/quote] Well Satan did kill Job's children, but then again God pretty much told him too.
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Post by ladyloki on Jun 16, 2009 23:24:04 GMT -5
[url=http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-many-has-god-killed-revised.html ] [/url][/quote] Well Satan did kill Job's children, but then again God pretty much told him too.[/quote] Good point!
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Post by Tiger on Jun 17, 2009 3:26:15 GMT -5
Well Satan did kill Job's children, but then again God pretty much told him too. That's the 10. And if you click on the image, you get taken to the blog post someone linked to earlier in the thread that the graph is based on, which cites where in the Bible each killing took place.
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Post by Jedi Knight on Jun 17, 2009 9:11:21 GMT -5
zach -- "irregardless" is not a word, and in fact is the exact opposite of what you're trying to convey. The proper word is "regardless". </nitpick> The reason the Serpent was "evil", and this is just my best guess, is that in a desert region most snakes are highly venomous, and the bronze-age folks associated these deadly snakes with their evil deity. In most other cultures, snakes (and, incidentally, the apple) were revered as a symbol of wisdom. That's actually a good point, Kitty. The myth of the serpent and the apple reminds me a lot of myths of culture heroes or trickster gods. As has been said, it is very similar to the Prometheus myth. The serpent does not seem to have any divine traits, though, at least not in the Genesis. I suspect this story comes from the early roots of Judaism, which is the pagan religions of the Levant. The serpent may very well have been a trickster god in pre-judaic faith. In christian tradition, the serpent is indeed identified with Satan, and the identity is made explicit in the Revelation 20:2. "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years..."
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Post by Oriet on Jun 18, 2009 4:58:27 GMT -5
Aren't both Satan and Jesus referred to as Morning Star at different points? In which case, since they both were for knowledge and equality, couldn't it be construed they were the same bloke? Especially since Jesus is nothing like his supposed father who made Jack the Ripper look like a quality daycare provider...
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Post by wmdkitty on Jun 18, 2009 15:16:30 GMT -5
Aren't both Satan and Jesus referred to as Morning Star at different points? In which case, since they both were for knowledge and equality, couldn't it be construed they were the same bloke? Especially since Jesus is nothing like his supposed father who made Jack the Ripper look like a quality daycare provider... I... hadn't thought about it that way, but now that you mention it, I'm finding it quite amusing.
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Post by whitleylad on Jun 18, 2009 16:49:50 GMT -5
The God of the Bible is definitely evil and by comparison the Devil is not. But as neither exist, pointless argument. Which has probably been mentioned.
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Post by Lady Renae on Jun 18, 2009 19:45:45 GMT -5
Pointless, yes, and yet someone actually MADE a caveman vs astronaut movie.
Never underestimate the power of versus conversations.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jun 18, 2009 21:29:22 GMT -5
Pointless, yes, and yet someone actually MADE a caveman vs astronaut movie. Never underestimate the power of versus conversations. Case in point: The show "Deadliest Warrior." Or any popularity poll about TV show characters. Also, that movie sounds awesome. I wanna see!
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Post by wmdkitty on Jun 18, 2009 22:33:37 GMT -5
Heh, I admit I'd probably watch a "caveman vs. astronaut" movie just for the "holy crap, they actually made this shit" factor.
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Post by stormwarden on Jun 19, 2009 0:52:07 GMT -5
Isn't God basically Lawful Evil? "Do it my way or burn forever?"
That IS the definition of a lawful evil character, isn't it?
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Post by schizophonic on Jun 19, 2009 0:57:09 GMT -5
Aren't both Satan and Jesus referred to as Morning Star at different points? In which case, since they both were for knowledge and equality, couldn't it be construed they were the same bloke? Especially since Jesus is nothing like his supposed father who made Jack the Ripper look like a quality daycare provider... Hmmm...I think you may be on to something. We never see them in the same place...Except based on jesus' word. That's like Bruce Wayne saying "Hey, I was hanging out with Batman last night. What a dick. He ducked out the skylight when the check came."
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Post by schizophonic on Jun 19, 2009 1:01:52 GMT -5
Isn't God basically Lawful Evil? "Do it my way or burn forever?" That IS the definition of a lawful evil character, isn't it? God is such a poorly written character that he seems to frequently shift alignments for no real reason. I mean, when I look at the Bible, I frequently see God as Chaotic Evil.
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Post by wmdkitty on Jun 19, 2009 1:52:12 GMT -5
Amaranth -- I agree with your assessment of Bible-God.
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Post by Mira on Jun 19, 2009 2:28:13 GMT -5
In my opinion the biblical (and maybe a bit of Dante's) Satan has a great many parallels with Goldman from 1984.
They both tried to bring democracy, but were both brought down by the leader.
The public must be frequently reminded of their terrible crimes.
When something bad happens it is blamed on them.
There are some other points I came up with that I can't recall.
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