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Post by deusmalum on Jul 9, 2009 10:57:00 GMT -5
I've been reading Pagan newsletters for so long, I keep forgetting how obscure that expression really is. Because conservatives tend to react to "Mom, Dad, I'm Wiccan" the same way they react to "Mom, Dad, I'm gay," the phrase "coming out of the broom closet" has been used to refer to the Big Reveal of one's Pagan religious identity to the folks. So yes, Lithp was right. Someone who's GBLT and Wiccan, and hiding both, is occasionally referred to as being "in both closets" for the same reason. And I'm bi, but taken. Sorry to disappoint.  @marquis: OMGs I love the Slactivist! Part of me is more tempted to print out the thing about how Fred Phelps is proof positive that allowing gay marriage will not infringe on people's rights. Fred Clark is awesome. I had my own "coming out" experience the other day when I told my parents that I was a pacifist. It wasn't nearly as traumatic as some of yours though. Turns out they had long thought that I already was. A bit anti-climactic, actually. I don't understand how parents would treat that as a bad thing, to be honest. Perhaps I'm merely looking at it wrong. "Mum, Dad, I don't like violence." "Good on ya, son/daughter." |
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Post by ironbite on Jul 9, 2009 11:49:11 GMT -5
Oh good. I was getting tired of updating the list.
For the record...I'm also take. But I'm a bit of a cad so take no offence to the following pick up line.
Ironbite-so...wanna put a spell on me?
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Post by Armand Tanzarian on Jul 9, 2009 17:06:09 GMT -5
I've been reading Pagan newsletters for so long, I keep forgetting how obscure that expression really is. Because conservatives tend to react to "Mom, Dad, I'm Wiccan" the same way they react to "Mom, Dad, I'm gay," the phrase "coming out of the broom closet" has been used to refer to the Big Reveal of one's Pagan religious identity to the folks. So yes, Lithp was right. Someone who's GBLT and Wiccan, and hiding both, is occasionally referred to as being "in both closets" for the same reason. And I'm bi, but taken. Sorry to disappoint. @marquis: OMGs I love the Slactivist! Part of me is more tempted to print out the thing about how Fred Phelps is proof positive that allowing gay marriage will not infringe on people's rights. Fred Clark is awesome. I had my own "coming out" experience the other day when I told my parents that I was a pacifist. It wasn't nearly as traumatic as some of yours though. Turns out they had long thought that I already was. A bit anti-climactic, actually. Hey, if anything you're just obeying the "Thou shalt not kill" commandment, and the commitment to live like Jesus, who was a pacifist. i don't see how that's shocking. |
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 9, 2009 22:18:03 GMT -5
Ironbite-so...wanna put a spell on me? This brings 2 things to mind: 1) I was reading about sex magic on a pagan wiki thingy. Naturally, I reacted in a completely mature manner by giggling every time I saw the word "phallus." 2) I was watching a Taboo episode on nudity, primarily in religious services, & I observed that, "Wiccan chicks are hot." Also, I don't see how the broom closet thing is so obscure. I make the connection almost instantly, & like most people, I don't know jack shit about Wicca. The pacifist thing confuses me much more. Why the Hell would that bother someone? |
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Post by peanutfan on Jul 10, 2009 10:34:39 GMT -5
In American culture, at least, pacifists are generally seen as sissies with no spine to stand up for themselves. Of course, this is the same culture that saw George W. Bush elected (the second time he ran, at least) and has an entire military subculture devoted to converting the world, by force if necessary.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 10, 2009 10:50:10 GMT -5
In American culture, at least, pacifists are generally seen as sissies with no spine to stand up for themselves. Of course, this is the same culture that saw George W. Bush elected (the second time he ran, at least) and has an entire military subculture devoted to converting the world, by force if necessary. I consider radical conservatives merely the ass of America. |
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Post by Ian1732 on Jul 10, 2009 14:50:07 GMT -5
I have a better idea: Introduce her to the writings of a liberal evangelical Christian, Fred Clark, who has spent the last couple of years ably deconstructing ' Left Behind' sentence by sentence. Don't tell her about your own beliefs unless you want to see a years-long war waged between your aunt and your parents over "child training." A liberal evangelical Christian? Isn't that an oxymoron? *head explodes* |
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Post by Tiger on Jul 10, 2009 16:32:44 GMT -5
I have a better idea: Introduce her to the writings of a liberal evangelical Christian, Fred Clark, who has spent the last couple of years ably deconstructing ' Left Behind' sentence by sentence. Don't tell her about your own beliefs unless you want to see a years-long war waged between your aunt and your parents over "child training." A liberal evangelical Christian? Isn't that an oxymoron? *head explodes* "Evangelical" just means they try to convert others. That behavior tends to be associated with the religious right, but is by no means exclusive to it. |
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Post by Hades on Jul 11, 2009 0:30:28 GMT -5
Personally I would do my best to bear it because I could only imagine that it would be opening the flood gates of irrationality, ignorance, dogma, straw men, and fallacies if you came out to this woman. And there's a high chance that nothing you say is going to make her change her mind in the least. I think putting up with it would be the lesser of two shitty situations.
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Jul 11, 2009 2:34:40 GMT -5
Five words: I deny the Holy Spirit
The Unforgivable Sin. If she doesn't give up at that point, show her the relevant passage in the Bible.
Or figure out a way to haunt her sorry ass until she leaves. One requirement though. You NEED to be able to say the most ridiculous shit imaginable with a straight face.
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Post by clockworkgirl21 on Jul 11, 2009 6:53:43 GMT -5
I didn't get what "broom closet" meant either...
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Jul 11, 2009 8:33:47 GMT -5
I didn't get what "broom closet" meant either... Weird. Usually, I'm the one who doesn't get these sort of things. |
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Post by The_L on Jul 11, 2009 8:56:12 GMT -5
Well, she just left. I said my goodbyes, and she said she'd enjoyed the visit. So I guess my obvious religious plurality didn't bother her nearly so much as I thought it had. Personally I would do my best to bear it because I could only imagine that it would be opening the flood gates of irrationality, ignorance, dogma, straw men, and fallacies if you came out to this woman. And there's a high chance that nothing you say is going to make her change her mind in the least. I think putting up with it would be the lesser of two shitty situations. Exactly. Every time she brought up religion and politics after that, and I COULD escape the room, I did. This brings 2 things to mind: 1) I was reading about sex magic on a pagan wiki thingy. Naturally, I reacted in a completely mature manner by giggling every time I saw the word "phallus." 2) I was watching a Taboo episode on nudity, primarily in religious services, & I observed that, "Wiccan chicks are hot." 1. Hell, I'm not immune to the occasional giggle-fits. But after over a year of looking at phallic and yonic symbols, I tend to only laugh at innuendos and some of the more bizarre porn out there. The sight of a random penis just doesn't do it anymore. But I certainly understand. 2. Yes, we are. |
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