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Post by schizophonic on Jul 23, 2009 3:53:15 GMT -5
My buddy offered to show me the effects of bird shot at 30 yards to demonstrate how wrong Sky is.
He LOLed. I hope at Sky and not at the prospect of Cheneying me...
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Jul 23, 2009 4:50:24 GMT -5
I didn't bother putting thought into Sky's post. Especially after the word Texas appeared.
I know nothing about bird shot but rock salt even though it may not be lethal (as far as I know) much like anything involving salt it will mother fucking hurt. But as I said the word Texas was in his post and much like the rest of the South gun safety isn't top priority there.
Especially when a Fundies idea of gun control is using both hands to fire a handgun.*
*=There actually was a quote on the old site that said that.
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Post by Maryland Bear on Jul 23, 2009 5:59:30 GMT -5
Especially when a Fundies idea of gun control is using both hands to fire a handgun.* *=There actually was a quote on the old site that said that. Its an ooooooold joke amongst gun nuts.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Jul 23, 2009 6:14:20 GMT -5
As I'm not a gun nut or even a gun owner I wouldn't know until now.
And now I know.
And knowing is half the battle! Violence is the other half!
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Post by schizophonic on Jul 23, 2009 8:09:02 GMT -5
I didn't bother putting thought into Sky's post. Especially after the word Texas appeared. I know nothing about bird shot but rock salt even though it may not be lethal (as far as I know) much like anything involving salt it will mother fucking hurt. But as I said the word Texas was in his post and much like the rest of the South gun safety isn't top priority there. Especially when a Fundies idea of gun control is using both hands to fire a handgun.* *=There actually was a quote on the old site that said that. That quote's on bumper stickers on several cars around here. Rock Salt is a less than lethal round, but the idea that it won't kill is inane. As others have said, you don't point a gun at something you're not willing to kill, and there's a good reason. In a home defense scenario, you're close enough to make it a potentially lethal round for sure. At a few inches cigarette butts are lethal, after all. At a few feet, rock salt can be readily lethal. And the real question is, how far away are you reasonably shooting in a home defense scenario? I'm just clarifying, after all. But a lot of the dispute comes from a post revolving around Texans, so you may be on to something.
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Jul 23, 2009 8:14:00 GMT -5
I haven't seen that episode of Mythbusters but I am reminded on an episode of NCIS or Law & Order or something where a guy killed someone with a piece of meat and a steering wheel lock bar thing.
He dismantled it, put a small cyliner shaped piece of meat inside partially reassembled it leaving an opening for his meat bullet (hehe) to travel out of, used the curved part as a handle and another part of it as another handle/trigger. He pulled the back part out some of the way and then pushed it back in firing the meat bullet killing someone.
Or something along those lines. If someone knows what I'm talking about I'm sure they might be able to explain it better and then say that it's impossible to do something like that.
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Post by rookie on Jul 23, 2009 8:33:09 GMT -5
I can't hold my peace on this. Sky, thank you very much, ass wipe. You know, we're in the minority here when it comes to guns (liking them). And I try very goddamn hard to be responsible both in what I do and what I say in regards to this issue. I try extremely goddamn hard to use concepts such as reason. I do this for two reasons. First, it's the right thing to do. Second, I think the way to phase out the stereotype gun owner, guns-don't-kill-I-do-you-can-take-my-gun-when-you-pry-it-from-my-cold-dead-hands-kill-a-commie-jesus-smiles, is to NOT act like it. "Bird shot is nonlethal" is not a statement that counters the stereotype. Thanks for actively trying to undo what I'm trying to do.
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Post by mistermuncher on Jul 23, 2009 9:24:37 GMT -5
A guy I went to school with was killed by a birdshot shell, fired through an Oak-Panelled front door. Non-lethal my hairy arse.
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Post by Bezron on Jul 23, 2009 9:28:42 GMT -5
Considering that bird shot is used to...kill...birds...it is lethal.
As has been stated over and over again, ANYTHING can kill, given the right conditions.
Rock salt hitting in the throat area stands a good chance to nick a major artery, for example. Which is most likely where it will be hitting a home invader, unless you are pulling a "Texas Castle Law" and shooting someone who is fleeing...
My Dad's solution/instructions to me for someone who points a gun at a person in jest:
First offense, take it away from them. Second offense, take it away and beat them with it.
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Post by schizophonic on Jul 23, 2009 10:28:22 GMT -5
Considering that bird shot is used to...kill...birds...it is lethal. As has been stated over and over again, ANYTHING can kill, given the right conditions. Rock salt hitting in the throat area stands a good chance to nick a major artery, for example. Which is most likely where it will be hitting a home invader, unless you are pulling a "Texas Castle Law" and shooting someone who is fleeing... My Dad's solution/instructions to me for someone who points a gun at a person in jest: First offense, take it away from them. Second offense, take it away and beat them with it. Well that explains it. Sky is shooting a fleeing man at 30 yeards in the back with rock salt. texan "self defense" is disgusting. Still doesn't explain bird shot, mind. You'd really think the use of bird shot on bird would make it impossible to think it was nonlethal, but...
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Post by Caitshidhe on Jul 23, 2009 10:39:04 GMT -5
I can't hold my peace on this. Sky, thank you very much, ass wipe. You know, we're in the minority here when it comes to guns (liking them). And I try very goddamn hard to be responsible both in what I do and what I say in regards to this issue. I try extremely goddamn hard to use concepts such as reason. I do this for two reasons. First, it's the right thing to do. Second, I think the way to phase out the stereotype gun owner, guns-don't-kill-I-do-you-can-take-my-gun-when-you-pry-it-from-my-cold-dead-hands-kill-a-commie-jesus-smiles, is to NOT act like it. "Bird shot is nonlethal" is not a statement that counters the stereotype. Thanks for actively trying to undo what I'm trying to do. For what it's worth, Rookie, I try not to judge all gun-fans and lump them all into one group. I know a lot of perfectly wonderful people who happen to be pro-gun, and they're a lot like you. They're far from cavalier about gun safety, and try very hard to separate themselves from the "guns-don't-kill-I-do-you-can-take-my-gun-when-you-pry-it-from-my-cold-dead-hands-kill-a-commie-Jesus-smiles" (god I love that!) folk. You--and the people I know--are all quite realistic about it, and for that I respect you. I don't like guns personally, and I don't want one (for home defense, nothing beats a fifteen-inch cast iron skillet!), but if you want one go right ahead. It's the mouth-frothing, Jesus-humping, "KILL FAGS/COMMIES/LIBERALS/WHATEVER-GROUP-I'VE-DECIDED-GOD-DOESN'T-LIKE" people that scare me.
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Post by ironbite on Jul 23, 2009 13:41:45 GMT -5
'Sides...not only is Rock Salt leathal to humans, ghosts can't stand it either.
Ironbite-nor do Demons now that I think about it..
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Post by schizophonic on Jul 23, 2009 14:53:22 GMT -5
'Sides...not only is Rock Salt leathal to humans, ghosts can't stand it either. Ironbite-nor do Demons now that I think about it.. CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SOOOOOOOOOOOOON!
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Post by HarleyThomas1002 on Jul 23, 2009 17:51:18 GMT -5
'Sides...not only is Rock Salt leathal to humans, ghosts can't stand it either. Ironbite-nor do Demons now that I think about it.. CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SOOOOOOOOOOOOON! Lay your weary head to rest!
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Post by ironbite on Jul 23, 2009 18:01:52 GMT -5
CARRY ON MY WAYWARD SOOOOOOOOOOOOON! Lay your weary head to rest! DON'T YOU CRY NO MORE!
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