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Post by Distind on Mar 10, 2009 20:51:57 GMT -5
If Texas were to actually secede from the USA....it would be dragged down into the current chaos in Mexico so fast it would make your head spin. Texans would be begging to be readmitted within a week. Not like that would be the first time either. I say we don't let them back this time.
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Post by Distind on Mar 10, 2009 20:54:16 GMT -5
Well, is capitalism a failed ideology? Certainly rampant unregulated capitalism has crashed and burned spectacularly, but is capitalism itself fatally flawed? Only as flawed as any idea when it is not tempered with reality, a lot like socialism, communism, barter economies, and not being a jackass. Some days, you just need to be a jackass to get things done, otherdays you need to help people out, another day you need to let the money go to wherever it's gonna go to see where the future is going to take you. Now if I could just explain this to some of the free-market fundies on CARM my blood pressure may drop significantly.
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Post by devilschaplain2 on Mar 10, 2009 20:57:19 GMT -5
As soon as I saw "Chuck Norris advocates", I knew it couldn't be good. A mediocre actor who is only famous because he knew Bruce Lee; a redneck who doesn't believe in evolution and who goes on anti-porn and pro-gun crusades; and a politically inept fool who campaigned for Mike Huckabee. Fuckin' Chuck Norris...
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Post by captainhooker on Mar 10, 2009 20:57:26 GMT -5
Well, is capitalism a failed ideology? Certainly rampant unregulated capitalism has crashed and burned spectacularly, but is capitalism itself fatally flawed? Only as flawed as any idea when it is not tempered with reality, a lot like socialism, communism, barter economies, and not being a jackass. Some days, you just need to be a jackass to get things done, otherdays you need to help people out, another day you need to let the money go to wherever it's gonna go to see where the future is going to take you. Now if I could just explain this to some of the free-market fundies on CARM my blood pressure may drop significantly. The problem is very rarely the ideology. They all work perfectly in theory. The problem, more often than not, is people.
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Post by gizmoturner on Mar 10, 2009 20:59:35 GMT -5
Follow the Chuck Norris thread over at Rapture Ready under End Times Poltics. These nitwits take the "right-wing cells all over America" seriously. Scary seriously. The hatred spewing from these barely-literate death cultists can only inspire more McVeigh's. Conspiracy abounds, Obama hatred is raging. They pray for his demise, speculate if he's the Anti-Christ, promote violence against "pure evil" liberals. Some of these nutcakes are going to do really bad things and their demi-god, Rush will blame the Democrats. I think Chuckie's toupee is a bit too tight.
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Post by JonathanE on Mar 10, 2009 21:30:20 GMT -5
We should ship a few of these assholes to Gitmo, er, oh wait, that's being closed. We should lock 'em up in foreign, secret prisons, without counsel or even charges, em, er wait, wrong president. We should tap their phones without a warrant, er, sorry, again, wrong administration. Well, shit, we can at least mock these morons. Chuck Norris should have a few of his quotes pasted over Walker, Texas Stranger reruns. He made some really bad movies, like a Sylvester Stallone wannabe. How friggin sad is that? I agree, his only claim to fame was getting his ass kicked by Bruce Lee in a 70's movie, and he based a career on that. Like I said, I think he's taken a few too many shots to the head. There's a brain omelette in his skull.
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Post by ltfred on Mar 10, 2009 22:40:02 GMT -5
Well, is capitalism a failed ideology? Certainly rampant unregulated capitalism has crashed and burned spectacularly, but is capitalism itself fatally flawed? Markets are inefficient. Ask any economist. In fact, they teach you that day 1 micro-economics 101. They're inefficient because they don't factor in risk to everyone or the enviroment, they're inefficient because they are very strongly undemocratic, because they are short-sighted and often block invention, they're essentially based on enforcing conformity to what other's want rather than what you want, because they infringe on basic freedoms, because they are involuntary, because they can't discern between a need and a want, because they are self-destructive and because they don't value human life equally and often at all. You can call these inefficiencies good things- calling them rational comes to mind; a 90 year old investor making 20 bucks at the cost of a nuclear holocaust killing everyone in 20 years when he is most likely dead is, for instance, supposedly a rational decision. The only problem with this view is that is ignores all of human history and what every single human anywhere wants. You can also try to 'humanise' capitalism: ie to try to put some basic morality into the system by regulating it, and by putting it under human control. The industrial revolution and development everywhere it has occured is the result. And I'm sympathetic with these attempts. As are most economists who know what they're talking about, actually. But I'm a democrat and I don't think that a system that is based on the theory that we don't have to make any decisions works very well. I think that humans are the best people to decide their communities, lives and methods of distribution. Therefore, local, democraticaly run communities each making a small part of a larger confederacy where they are reresented by an elected amateur who can be withdrawn at any time seems like a good idea. There's problems with this, but I can't think of anything better.
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Post by Julian on Mar 11, 2009 4:32:57 GMT -5
If Texas were to actually secede from the USA....it would be dragged down into the current chaos in Mexico so fast it would make your head spin. Texans would be begging to be readmitted within a week. Yes, but if Chimpy-Bush or Wanker - Texas Deranger were in charge, who cares about the people! Oh and syndicated column on worldnetdaily fail?
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Post by Art Vandelay on Mar 11, 2009 4:46:25 GMT -5
Seems a bit like a right wing equivalent of the socialist alternative. As far from the centre as possible and like to bat off to the thought of being a secret underground resistance movement when in fact they're just a tiny handful of idiots that no one, least of all the government, actually gives a flying fuck about.
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Post by Mira on Mar 11, 2009 7:11:44 GMT -5
Both Socialism and Capitalism can never work for the same reason, people abuse the system. That's why no country in the world follows either system, it is always a delicate mixed economy. They had their chance, twice with the Reagan/Bush years and the past 8 years and the system has consistently failed. We need to try something new, lack of regulation got us into a mess and if more regulation makes this a Socialist state then who cares. Call it what you want, I'll just call it the right direction.
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 11, 2009 8:52:38 GMT -5
Well, is capitalism a failed ideology? Certainly rampant unregulated capitalism has crashed and burned spectacularly, but is capitalism itself fatally flawed? I don't think capitalism is a flawed ideology, except for certain things like health care. .....and under Chuck Norris' beard is not a chin, it is Rush Limbaugh. .....Chuck Norris does not cry, he becomes Ann Coulter.
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Post by Lady Renae on Mar 11, 2009 9:06:51 GMT -5
Please let us NOT start our own line of Chuck Norris jokes... it gives him too much validation, and it will leak into my IRC, and I will be forced to create a censor script that bleeps him out until people have too much fun with that and I have to start actually punishing them...
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Post by Bojangles on Mar 11, 2009 9:26:20 GMT -5
Oh good grief. I am the first to admit that I'm not an expert on US politics, but even I can see how stupid Chuck's "arguments" are.
I think his hold on reality is wavering. Maybe someone needs to tell him that Walker Texas Ranger was just a character he created for himself and not a real person. No one is fooled by his "badass" attitude.
Ok, I'm sure a few fundies are and all those right-wing cells, but still...
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Post by m52nickerson on Mar 11, 2009 9:47:12 GMT -5
Please let us NOT start our own line of Chuck Norris jokes... it gives him too much validation, and it will leak into my IRC, and I will be forced to create a censor script that bleeps him out until people have too much fun with that and I have to start actually punishing them... ;D .....a single tear form Chuck could turn Nancy Pelosi into Newt Gingrich.
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Post by Julian on Mar 11, 2009 9:52:14 GMT -5
.... reading a single sentence from Chuck Norris causes mild but irreparable brain damage.
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