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Post by Hades on Aug 18, 2009 19:22:52 GMT -5
My bedroom door has a really crappy old knob on it. My cat used to just stick her paw under the door and rattle it until it opened. Scary shit when you're in a deep sleep.
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Post by skyfire on Aug 18, 2009 19:47:33 GMT -5
The house I live in was a bit of a fixer-upper when we first moved in back in the summer of 92.
One of the issues that needed resolving was the fact that the screen on the window in the hallway bathroom was defective; it was slightly warped and so could be popped out of the window with ease.
The cat we had at the time figured that factoid out. If we raised the glass window up too high, that would give him enough wiggle room to get at the section that was warped. He finally succeeded in getting the screen out, although we got him before he could go too far.
We replaced the screen soon after.
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Post by lonelocust on Aug 19, 2009 2:37:31 GMT -5
I've had a cat who would follow elaborate multi-step directions in English. He got no particular training or particular reinforcement other than affection and snuggles.
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Post by Redhunter on Aug 19, 2009 6:34:54 GMT -5
Apparently you don't own a cat. Not sure about the concept of a cat talking (though I have heard one bark... it's a very strange experience), but I'll vouch for the rest as a cat owner myself. Heck, my cat has been known to open doors if they have that handle-type thing instead of a knob. All she has to do is jump up, grab it with both paws, and hang there. And why is it that cats ALWAYS have to jump under your feet at the last second when you're going up and down staircases? Apparently you don't own a cat. I’ve probably owned cats longer than you’ve been alive, so apparently you’re wrong. But that's what happens when one makes assumptions and then runs with it as if it were a fact.Not sure about the concept of a cat talking (though I have heard one bark... it's a very strange experience), but I'll vouch for the rest as a cat owner myself. Whoa... Really? Then I say you're just as asinine as skyfire.
Cats can't make long-term plans or have a sense of comedic timing and if they have a "vocabulary" then so do most animals that make different noises for different situations. And under that flexible definition, five “words” isn’t much. Pretty much makes it retarded I would think.
Our recognition of specific animal sounds does not mean they can “speak” or have a “vocabulary”. They communicate, yes, but cats "speak" as much as a baby "speaks" when it cries or coos. You guys saying you've had a "vocabulary" and "could actually speak" when you were still messing your diapers waiting for your fontanelles to harden?
Non-god... Heck, my cat has been known to open doors if they have that handle-type thing instead of a knob. All she has to do is jump up, grab it with both paws, and hang there. A horse can kick a basketball but that doesn’t mean they have reasoning skills or the ability to understand what they are doing, a.k.a. “a working knowledge”.
A rat can navigate a maze and recall how to get through it again but that doesnt' mean it "understands" a thing.
I’ve seen a cat frantically move a board to get out of a barn when my dog was chasing it; that cat didn’t have a “working knowledge” of barricades ffs, it was using its instinct and limited abilities to get from point "A" to point "anywhere the dog is NOT".
If a cat had "working knowledge" it would be able to open most if not all doorknobs, not just the individual ones it has imitated opening. For instance; a display lock at a hardware store should be no problem for Michigan J. Frog... err, I mean cat.Sky said: My first cat had a five-word vocabulary (yes, he could actually speak), a working knowledge of how to open doors, a sense of comedic timing, and the ability to make long-term plans. Wow. Anthropomorphize much? But let’s give you the “speech” and “working knowledge” thing; you both claim you’ve had cats with a “sense of comedic timing” and “the ability to make long term plans”. And to that I now laugh at both of you. Granted, all you stated here made me laugh till I teared up, but you had a strategizing, lyrical cat "a with a sense of comedic timing"? What was it... the feline version of the secretly vaudevillian frog from the old WB cartoon?
Wow. Congrats. That was seriously one of the most absolute asanine things I've ever heard in my life. Spoken like someone who has no clue what they're talking about. Says the virgin who attempted to tell the world what "women want"? Do tell.
That is a good example of a non-answer though. Don't bother to back up your farfetched claim, but by all means personally attack the person who doesn't automatically believe the fantastical ramblings of a known liar and yes, when I make a claim someone is a liar, I can actually back it up. I've been around cats non-stop ever since 1990. I can tell you stories about cats that would floor you. And every last one of them is true. Not that your time frame lends automatic credence to your bogus claim, but I've got twenty years of cat ownership on you and it doesn't change for a moment that I think you're full of it.
But okay. I guess I'll just ignore your long history and just believe that you, skyfire the apologist has had a speaking, planning, comedic, working cat that the rest of the world isn't aware actually existed. A speech-equipped cat who appreciated the intricacies of a witty rejoinder or a practically based joke and apparantly the ability to possibly pull them off as well.
Hilarious...
Was that cat whisked off to heaven before the rest of the world could experience it and now we just "have" to believe your bizarre stories or were you downing Nyquil and watching Triumph the insult comic dog and got confused?
Since when do you think the skeptical people here are just going to believe claims of the miraculous without proof AND with only your tainted word to back it up?
Hello my baby, hello my honey, hello my rag-time gal...
Asinine3.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 19, 2009 8:26:09 GMT -5
Red, maybe all of your cats were just boring ...
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Post by skyfire on Aug 19, 2009 10:49:27 GMT -5
Red, maybe all of your cats were just boring ... Or the necessary requirements for cats to display such a level of intellect were lacking.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 19, 2009 13:45:49 GMT -5
Apparently you don't own a cat. Not sure about the concept of a cat talking (though I have heard one bark... it's a very strange experience), It's real. Cats are smart enough and have sufficiently sophisticated vocalization abilities to where they can, if trained or imprinted upon, learn a few simple words. If you search for it, you might actually be able to find a clip from an early episode of America's Funniest Home Videos wherein a cat quite audibly shouts "No!" when its owners attempt to bathe it. I must say, I don't believe you. But I'm not closed-minded. If you have a source, I would be interested in seeing it. That said, I'm only disagreeing with the speech. Cats are very bright. I don't doubt that they could UNDERSTAND the words. Rahja reacts to "no," "food," "cat," 'kitty," his name, & more. And he's old &--well--stupid.
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Post by skyfire on Aug 19, 2009 19:03:49 GMT -5
It's real. Cats are smart enough and have sufficiently sophisticated vocalization abilities to where they can, if trained or imprinted upon, learn a few simple words. If you search for it, you might actually be able to find a clip from an early episode of America's Funniest Home Videos wherein a cat quite audibly shouts "No!" when its owners attempt to bathe it. I must say, I don't believe you. But I'm not closed-minded. If you have a source, I would be interested in seeing it. That said, I'm only disagreeing with the speech. Cats are very bright. I don't doubt that they could UNDERSTAND the words. Rahja reacts to "no," "food," "cat," 'kitty," his name, & more. And he's old &--well--stupid. My first cat learned how to say "out," "now," "mama," and two or three others. They were all simple, one or two syllable words that weren't far removed from normal meowing or other typical cat noises. A guy from church actually ran out the door and never returned because he heard the cat talk one day; he thought the thing was possessed. edit - YouTube video showing such videos from AFHVIt's not the one I was thinking of, but it's close enough.
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Post by The Lazy One on Aug 19, 2009 19:12:47 GMT -5
I've heard a cat say "no" before...
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Post by Tiger on Aug 19, 2009 19:27:36 GMT -5
RH and Sky give new meaning to the term cat fight.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 19, 2009 22:29:49 GMT -5
Now, the problem comes in that, how do you know the video wasn't faked? It isn't too hard to say something whenever your cat opens its mouth.
But, apparently, the idea is not as alien as I originally thought it was.
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Post by Dragon Zachski on Aug 20, 2009 0:17:09 GMT -5
...There was a guy on Amazing Animal Videos who trained his dog to mimic words. At least I think that was the show.
Bearing in mind that it could only mimic them. I'm pretty sure it's similar for a cat-- and any animal can figure out that they get rewarded when they do x, so they keep doing x. Whether this is clawing at your feet, rolling over, or making a noise that seems to get the humans giddy, they will do that.
Now, Parrots... they do seem quite capable of understanding both speech and basic grammar, even reconstructing new sentences out of what words they have learned. Hell, there was even a parrot that could hold basic conversations and identify and name anything. However, that parrot died due to stress. I could find the video article about it, if ya like.
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Post by Death on Aug 20, 2009 13:08:28 GMT -5
Apparently you don't own a cat. Not sure about the concept of a cat talking (though I have heard one bark... it's a very strange experience), It's real. Cats are smart enough and have sufficiently sophisticated vocalization abilities to where they can, if trained or imprinted upon, learn a few simple words. If you search for it, you might actually be able to find a clip from an early episode of America's Funniest Home Videos wherein a cat quite audibly shouts "No!" when its owners attempt to bathe it. You can't be serious!!! And yes, I've had cats, longer even than you've been alive btw, how's your cat's mouse farm coming along? Since it can make long term plans and everything. *********snicker***********
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Post by skyfire on Aug 20, 2009 15:37:12 GMT -5
It's real. Cats are smart enough and have sufficiently sophisticated vocalization abilities to where they can, if trained or imprinted upon, learn a few simple words. If you search for it, you might actually be able to find a clip from an early episode of America's Funniest Home Videos wherein a cat quite audibly shouts "No!" when its owners attempt to bathe it. You can't be serious!!! And yes, I've had cats, longer even than you've been alive btw, how's your cat's mouse farm coming along? Since it can make long term plans and everything. *********snicker*********** He died back in 2005, after 12 1/2 years of life.
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Post by Death on Aug 20, 2009 16:13:48 GMT -5
You can't be serious!!! And yes, I've had cats, longer even than you've been alive btw, how's your cat's mouse farm coming along? Since it can make long term plans and everything. *********snicker*********** He died back in 2005, after 12 1/2 years of life. so sorry but 12 years was long enough to get that farm going
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