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Post by Lady Renae on Aug 26, 2009 14:06:37 GMT -5
One of these days I'm going to realize that skyfire generally doesn't use metaphor to converse.
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Post by Marc on Aug 26, 2009 20:22:19 GMT -5
My sincerest apologies to Caitsidhe, but I initially read this as Cait earns GED, and came in to congratulate her...
Marc
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Post by wmdkitty on Aug 27, 2009 2:46:55 GMT -5
There's an update to the story. The cat is going on to college, and will be studying recent Chinese history. She plans to write a dissertation on Chairman Meow. Dammit, "Cherry Garcia" up the nose really hurts! Sheba will literally lay in wait for me to go by, and then come running out to greet me. Shit, she's not even "my" cat (lives with a dude a few blocks away), but she certainly thinks I'm her hoomin. She's gone from dead sleep to happy dash out the door in 2.5 seconds, according to her human roomie. There is no "suspecting" we're smarter creatures than humans -- we are. After all, we've trained you to do our bidding: open doors, feed us, cater to our whims.... So who's the superior species, again?
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Post by Maryland Bear on Aug 27, 2009 6:38:05 GMT -5
There is no "suspecting" we're smarter creatures than humans -- we are. After all, we've trained you to do our bidding: open doors, feed us, cater to our whims.... As a cat loving friend of mine likes to point out, "in Ancient Egypt, cats were worshiped as gods. They have never forgotten this." Some years ago, Discover Magazine ran an article that compared the intelligence of cats and dogs. They opened by pointing out that scientists don't even like to compare intelligence within the same species, much less between two different species. But, they added, consider this: if you asked your cat to set down and play chess, you'd probably think the cat was pretty stupid. But if the cat asked you to leap from window sill onto a tree branch and catch a bird, the cat would probably think you're pretty stupid, too. Cats are very very smart... at being cats.
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Post by Mantorok on Aug 27, 2009 6:52:21 GMT -5
So who's the superior species, again? Cephalopods.
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Post by Ian1732 on Aug 28, 2009 11:10:35 GMT -5
I think I've posted this somewhere else, but as my religious friend once told me:
A dog gets a treat from a man. The dog thinks, "Hey, he gave me a treat. he must be God!"
A cat gets a treat from a man. The cat thinks, "Hey, he gave me a treat. I must be God!"
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Post by antichrist on Aug 28, 2009 19:36:25 GMT -5
Some years ago, Discover Magazine ran an article that compared the intelligence of cats and dogs. They opened by pointing out that scientists don't even like to compare intelligence within the same species, much less between two different species. But, they added, consider this: if you asked your cat to set down and play chess, you'd probably think the cat was pretty stupid. But if the cat asked you to leap from window sill onto a tree branch and catch a bird, the cat would probably think you're pretty stupid, too. Cats are very very smart... at being cats. Very true, even between dog breeds how do you judge intelligence. I put a treat in a box, and the Brittany will get it out of the box, the Rottweiler will look at the box, look at me. The difference is hundreds of years of breeding. Rottweilers are bred to be more cooperative, Brittany's are bred to hunt independently and wait for you to catch up. Yet Brittany's get classified as stupid because they don't take a lot of obedience titles home.
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Post by Ian1732 on Aug 28, 2009 21:18:37 GMT -5
Well, my dog has frequently asked me to chase after a frisbee, and called me an idiot when I couldn't...
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Post by Radiation on Aug 30, 2009 17:58:21 GMT -5
My first cat had a five-word vocabulary (yes, he could actually speak), a working knowledge of how to open doors, a sense of comedic timing, and the ability to make long-term plans. Granted, all you stated here made me laugh till I teared up, but you had a strategizing, lyrical cat "a with a sense of comedic timing"? What was it... the feline version of the secretly vaudevillian frog from the old WB cartoon?
Wow. Congrats. That was seriously one of the most absolute asanine things I've ever heard in my life. I would not knock Skyfire's cat's abilities, I have seen and heard cats speak, I owned one myself, a Manx off color who we named Sylvester, knew how to say my sister and mine's name, the word "no" and cried like a baby when it was bathed. He also knew how to open doors and even the fridge. So I would say there are some cats out there that have a surprising modicrum of intelligence that is canny.
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Post by Radiation on Aug 30, 2009 18:06:36 GMT -5
I must say, I don't believe you. But I'm not closed-minded. If you have a source, I would be interested in seeing it. That said, I'm only disagreeing with the speech. Cats are very bright. I don't doubt that they could UNDERSTAND the words. Rahja reacts to "no," "food," "cat," 'kitty," his name, & more. And he's old &--well--stupid. My first cat learned how to say "out," "now," "mama," and two or three others. They were all simple, one or two syllable words that weren't far removed from normal meowing or other typical cat noises. A guy from church actually ran out the door and never returned because he heard the cat talk one day; he thought the thing was possessed. edit - YouTube video showing such videos from AFHVIt's not the one I was thinking of, but it's close enough. Don Piano is my favorite Skyfire, I also think it is the most famous cat talking video out there.
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Post by Redhunter on Sept 8, 2009 5:13:41 GMT -5
Granted, all you stated here made me laugh till I teared up, but you had a strategizing, lyrical cat "a with a sense of comedic timing"? What was it... the feline version of the secretly vaudevillian frog from the old WB cartoon?
Wow. Congrats. That was seriously one of the most absolute asanine things I've ever heard in my life. I would not knock Skyfire's cat's abilities, I have seen and heard cats speak, I owned one myself, a Manx off color who we named Sylvester, knew how to say my sister and mine's name, the word "no" and cried like a baby when it was bathed. He also knew how to open doors and even the fridge. So I would say there are some cats out there that have a surprising modicrum of intelligence that is canny. It is brave of you to jump in to defend the ravings of a fundie but then again so is leaping on a live hand grenade but it doesn’t make it any less painful when it blows up in your face.
Firstly sky is making claims that go against what is currently known of the abilities of cats.
Secondly, skyfire is a fundie with an agenda who quite often lies and/or has supported ideas that are at best howlingly archaic and wildly stunted and at worst have been possibly intentionally inflammatory, utterly baseless as well as intelligence crippling, coffee-spewingly retarded.
Thirdly cats still do not talk in the way that humans do, they simply do NOT. This has been covered earlier in the thread, as was the “working knowledge of doorknobs” claim. Many, many animals can navigate a room or building including opening cupboards or doors or windows through basic intelligence and mimicry but that doesn’t make them smart enough to understand what they are doing. If that were the case, I’m guessing that there would probably be more than simple wire fences to contain most farm animals.
F’rinstance: One of my cats had a particular whine to her mewls and at times it sounded as if she said words. Thing is, all the words were variations of that tone she made. Thusly, she was not saying, ‘Morose’, ‘Madrid’, ‘Marriot’, ‘Mellow’, ‘Moron’ or any such silliness.
ME: Hey, Audry; what’s that material inside of bones? AUDRY: MARROW! ME: Audry, what’s your favourite type of wine? AUDRY: MERLOT! ME: Audry, what kind of cigarettes am I holding up? AUDRY: MARLBORO! ME: See! She’s the smartest cat ever!
Ever see ‘Disturbia’ where the kid in Spanish class says ‘Quizas’ repeatedly (to laughter from the class) simply because it sounds LIKE ‘kiss-ass’? That’s pretty much the same thing. He didn’t get in trouble because he wasn’t really swearing and your cat isn’t famous because he isn’t really speaking.
So if any of you guys who claim to have speaking cats who may or may not have a sense of comedic timing, the ability to understand the mechanics behind man-made inventions such as doorknobs or make long term plans that do not involve the inborn instinctual “plans” that most animals make, please put up or shut up because like the fundies, the onus is on those who make the asinine claims.
Someone mentioned that the word, ‘anthropomorphism’ gets thrown around or used a lot but not nearly as much as the actual act of anthropomorphism is used. And if the word is apt and used appropriately in a situation as it was here, then it matters not one solitary squirt from Francis The Talking Mule how much it used elsewhere and it most assuredly doesn’t mean that Francis understands the intricacies of a two-point conversion.
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Post by JonathanE on Sept 8, 2009 7:26:15 GMT -5
I would not knock Skyfire's cat's abilities, I have seen and heard cats speak, I owned one myself, a Manx off color who we named Sylvester, knew how to say my sister and mine's name, the word "no" and cried like a baby when it was bathed. He also knew how to open doors and even the fridge. So I would say there are some cats out there that have a surprising modicrum of intelligence that is canny. Both cats and dogs can learn conditioned responses to certain sounds, ie "words". This is a large leap to anthropomorphism. In the case of dogs, the species has been accompanying humans since the dawn of humanity, and developed a symbiotic relationship with humans. As to "intelligence", I would venture to guess that due to their limited brain pan, dogs and cats are quite likely less "intelligent" than say, horses or cows, but superior to birds, reptiles and such. Much domestic animal behaviour is due to long interaction with humans, not intelligence. For dogs, it is a matter of species survival. It is brave of you to jump in to defend the ravings of a fundie but then again so is leaping on a live hand grenade but it doesn’t make it any less painful when it blows up in your face.
Firstly sky is making claims that go against what is currently known of the abilities of cats.
Secondly, skyfire is a fundie with an agenda who quite often lies and/or has supported ideas that are at best howlingly archaic and wildly stunted and at worst have been possibly intentionally inflammatory, utterly baseless as well as intelligence crippling, coffee-spewingly retarded.
Thirdly cats still do not talk in the way that humans do, they simply do NOT. This has been covered earlier in the thread, as was the “working knowledge of doorknobs” claim. Many, many animals can navigate a room or building including opening cupboards or doors or windows through basic intelligence and mimicry but that doesn’t make them smart enough to understand what they are doing. If that were the case, I’m guessing that there would probably be more than simple wire fences to contain most farm animals.
F’rinstance: One of my cats had a particular whine to her mewls and at times it sounded as if she said words. Thing is, all the words were variations of that tone she made. Thusly, she was not saying, ‘Morose’, ‘Madrid’, ‘Marriot’, ‘Mellow’, ‘Moron’ or any such silliness.
ME: Hey, Audry; what’s that material inside of bones? AUDRY: MARROW! ME: Audry, what’s your favourite type of wine? AUDRY: MERLOT! ME: Audry, what kind of cigarettes am I holding up? AUDRY: MARLBORO! ME: See! She’s the smartest cat ever!
Ever see ‘Disturbia’ where the kid in Spanish class says ‘Quizas’ repeatedly (to laughter from the class) simply because it sounds LIKE ‘kiss-ass’? That’s pretty much the same thing. He didn’t get in trouble because he wasn’t really swearing and your cat isn’t famous because he isn’t really speaking.
So if any of you guys who claim to have speaking cats who may or may not have a sense of comedic timing, the ability to understand the mechanics behind man-made inventions such as doorknobs or make long term plans that do not involve the inborn instinctual “plans” that most animals make, please put up or shut up because like the fundies, the onus is on those who make the asinine claims.
Someone mentioned that the word, ‘anthropomorphism’ gets thrown around or used a lot but not nearly as much as the actual act of anthropomorphism is used. And if the word is apt and used appropriately in a situation as it was here, then it matters not one solitary squirt from Francis The Talking Mule how much it used elsewhere and it most assuredly doesn’t mean that Francis understands the intricacies of a two-point conversion.
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Post by arcrow on Sept 8, 2009 10:01:26 GMT -5
There's an update to the story. The cat is going on to college, and will be studying recent Chinese history. She plans to write a dissertation on Chairman Meow.
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Post by ryal on Sept 8, 2009 21:51:57 GMT -5
"puts on tin hat"
it is a proven fact that cats will rule the earth someday along with the reptilians and grays
THEY WILL KILL YOU ALL I HAVE A SOURCE1111
"takes of hat"
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Post by Vypernight on Sept 10, 2009 6:46:11 GMT -5
Years ago, we taught our cat to run and hide at the sight of a sword. And yes, he deserved it (He attacked us, attacked the dog, and peed in the baby's bed.
I would've sent him to Kitty College, but he never did comprehend the concept of sliding glass doors.
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