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Post by Tiger on Mar 16, 2009 21:26:10 GMT -5
It's commonly accepted, I believe, that the ten percent figure is inflated. Three to five is the one I usually hear. I don't think it's possible to know for sure in this environment. Too many people deny or suppress it. |
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Post by wackadoodle on Mar 16, 2009 22:03:29 GMT -5
Not even sure this constitutes a conspiracy. It's basically Narth saying they dont' like the studies and somehow Gays are lying. Sounds like a conspiracy to me. |
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Post by stormwarden on Mar 16, 2009 22:08:29 GMT -5
It is a conspiracy theory to me. AFA, NARTH, Focus on the Family...none of them like being told they are full of crap, so it is little wonder they hate the various medical groups to the point that they try to establish a parallel group so that they won't be shut up.
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Post by alwimo on Mar 16, 2009 22:35:47 GMT -5
The percentages change according to lots of things. One big thing that affects it is how the words are defined. Do they look at self-identification? On what they find arousing? On who they might have sex with? Does it have to be 100% one way to be defined as a monosexual orientation? 90%? Just not 50%?
I like the ones that put all the different types of determining sexual orientation and put them on purely descriptive 0-6 (or similar) scales. They give clearer ideas.
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 17, 2009 7:17:20 GMT -5
The percentages change according to lots of things. One big thing that affects it is how the words are defined. Do they look at self-identification? On what they find arousing? On who they might have sex with? Does it have to be 100% one way to be defined as a monosexual orientation? 90%? Just not 50%? I like the ones that put all the different types of determining sexual orientation and put them on purely descriptive 0-6 (or similar) scales. They give clearer ideas. Another one is security. For those who are in the closet, how likely are they to disclose? Same for bisexuals who can otherwise "pass" for straight? |
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Post by Mantorok on Mar 17, 2009 7:24:28 GMT -5
I like the ones that put all the different types of determining sexual orientation and put them on purely descriptive 0-6 (or similar) scales. They give clearer ideas. So basically you like either the Kinsey scale or the Klein Sexual Orientation grid. |
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Post by discoberry on Mar 17, 2009 19:40:31 GMT -5
shut up! who said that? shut up! who said that? shut up! who said that? shut up! who said that?
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Post by alwimo on Mar 17, 2009 21:06:09 GMT -5
I like the ones that put all the different types of determining sexual orientation and put them on purely descriptive 0-6 (or similar) scales. They give clearer ideas. So basically you like either the Kinsey scale or the Klein Sexual Orientation grid. I referred to them in an earlier version of the post but I must have backspaced. The Klein grid is great but some of the variables it looks at aren't useful for sexual orientation research and I'd personally prefer that it doesn't lump someone's whole life up until the past 12 months into one time period and so on. |
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 17, 2009 23:57:38 GMT -5
I referred to them in an earlier version of the post but I must have backspaced. The Klein grid is great but some of the variables it looks at aren't useful for sexual orientation research and I'd personally prefer that it doesn't lump someone's whole life up until the past 12 months into one time period and so on. I had to look at the Klein scale, but I'm not particularly impressed by some of the categories. My first objection comes with the "sexual fantasies" category, but that's not the big problem I have. Who do you socialise with is kind of a false lead, isn't it? And "in which community do you spend your time?" What? |
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Post by alwimo on Mar 18, 2009 0:50:51 GMT -5
I referred to them in an earlier version of the post but I must have backspaced. The Klein grid is great but some of the variables it looks at aren't useful for sexual orientation research and I'd personally prefer that it doesn't lump someone's whole life up until the past 12 months into one time period and so on. I had to look at the Klein scale, but I'm not particularly impressed by some of the categories. My first objection comes with the "sexual fantasies" category, but that's not the big problem I have. Who do you socialise with is kind of a false lead, isn't it? And "in which community do you spend your time?" What? The sexual fantasy category is one of the good ones. How is who you fantasise about, if anyone, NOT a useful way of determining sexual orientation? The social categories (Social Preference and Heterosexual/Homosexual Lifestyle) are out of place and the categories I was thinking of as being the ones to remove for sexual orientation research. Why it was included was probably explained in The Bisexual Option by Fred Klein. I can't remember what it was but it wasn't because he thought that it affects your orientation (he didn't) but because it's something often related to it. The addition of the Past, Present and Ideal categories and how it looks at behaviour, fantasies, attraction, identity and emotional attraction are what make me like the Klein Grid. |
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Post by schizophonic on Mar 18, 2009 8:38:04 GMT -5
Bisexuals have a tendency to fantasize about the opposite sex, even when they "prefer" the same one. It's useful for the poles, but not really the more ambiguous areas.
The social options may coincide enough, but that hardly makes them a determining factor, or even necessarily useful.
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Post by alwimo on Mar 18, 2009 16:09:57 GMT -5
Hmmmm. I can't say I've heard of or experienced that first bit. I know of it being easy to start fantasising more one way than the other at a particular point in time, almost as a habit started by being very attracted to a representative of that sex.
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