Nix
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if we survive, are we free of the dumb luck?
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Post by Nix on Sept 24, 2009 12:08:13 GMT -5
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Post by RavynousHunter on Sept 24, 2009 12:17:32 GMT -5
The people responsible for this modern medical marvel deserve as much pizza, cake, and liquor as they're willing to ingest.
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Post by Yaezakura on Sept 24, 2009 12:24:20 GMT -5
Hooray for progress!
Get these scientists some booze, pizza, and girls STAT!
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purimpopoie
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A name once heard and never forgotten
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Post by purimpopoie on Sept 24, 2009 12:26:04 GMT -5
This makes me want to do backflips, throw a party in their honor, and sing out loud.
However, since I cannot do backflips, lack the money to throw a party, and aren't that great a singer, I'll just shout "Hooray!"
Hooray!
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Post by Mr. Turquoise on Sept 24, 2009 12:52:04 GMT -5
How long before some douchebag says that vaccinating against HIV will only promote deviant sexual behavior?
Anyway, yay science!
Mr. Turquoise
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Post by tygerarmy on Sept 24, 2009 13:10:18 GMT -5
And it was Us Army sponsored!
This is awesome!
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Post by Tiberius on Sept 24, 2009 14:33:44 GMT -5
This is indeed awesome... but I couldn't help but do a double take when I saw this from the main board. "This is awesome: AIDs..."
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Post by Vene on Sept 24, 2009 17:42:44 GMT -5
I'm not convinced it's going to work. 31% is a very small success rate. Also, it was only developed for strains in Thailand. Also, from what information I see there, I think it will fail for the same reason other vaccines for HIV fail, mutation rate.
I'll give a bit of background, when HIV was first isolated, scientists tried to sequence the genome, only to discover that it took more time to sequence a strain's genome than it did for there to be new strains. The HIV in Thailand is different than the HIV in the US. Vaccines like this have also failed because, even if it worked initially, the virus evolved too fast and the vaccine no longer protected people against the disease.
I would love to be wrong, I really would. But this is not enough for me to jump with joy.
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Post by szaleniec on Sept 24, 2009 18:20:15 GMT -5
I'm not convinced it's going to work. 31% is a very small success rate. Also, it was only developed for strains in Thailand. Also, from what information I see there, I think it will fail for the same reason other vaccines for HIV fail, mutation rate. Same reason HIV is a bitch to treat and impossible to cure. I want to be hopeful as I do with all medical breakthroughs, but I know the reality of the situation. At the very least I'd have to see the original research not filtered through the mainstream media where "HIV VACCINE FOUND" sells more papers than "MAY STOP SOME PEOPLE CATCHING IT SOMETIMES" (which don't get me wrong is still a good thing). |
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Post by Tiger on Sept 24, 2009 22:43:36 GMT -5
How long before some douchebag says that vaccinating against HIV will only promote deviant sexual behavior? Already happened. |
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Post by RavynousHunter on Sept 24, 2009 22:45:18 GMT -5
I'm not convinced it's going to work. 31% is a very small success rate. Also, it was only developed for strains in Thailand. Also, from what information I see there, I think it will fail for the same reason other vaccines for HIV fail, mutation rate. I'll give a bit of background, when HIV was first isolated, scientists tried to sequence the genome, only to discover that it took more time to sequence a strain's genome than it did for there to be new strains. The HIV in Thailand is different than the HIV in the US. Vaccines like this have also failed because, even if it worked initially, the virus evolved too fast and the vaccine no longer protected people against the disease. I would love to be wrong, I really would. But this is not enough for me to jump with joy. Buzzkill. |
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Post by Napoleon the Clown on Sept 25, 2009 2:08:21 GMT -5
And it was Us Army sponsored! This is awesome! Stuff like this and the prosthetic arm project being funded by DARPA are a pretty good proof that the government can induce PLENTY of creativity and innovation. |
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Post by DrKilljoy on Sept 25, 2009 11:34:37 GMT -5
I'm not convinced it's going to work. 31% is a very small success rate. Also, it was only developed for strains in Thailand. Also, from what information I see there, I think it will fail for the same reason other vaccines for HIV fail, mutation rate. Well, it's important to remember the Nirvana Fallacy. Even though this won't make AIDS a thing of the past, it'll probably at least lower the death toll. (Fundy mode) This is the worst thing ever! With this vaccine, what'll punish the GAYS and ADULTERERS for having sex I don't God doesn't like? |
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Post by Vene on Sept 25, 2009 14:16:53 GMT -5
I'm not even sure if it will do that, to be perfectly honest. The virus has an obscene mutation rate, it evolves FAST. Fast enough that odds are good by the time the vaccine is available, it will be outdated and useless. This isn't anything new at all, it's happened a lot in the past. A fairly simple article about this: linkAnd an excerpt from a more technical article linkOne of the earliest and most
striking observations made about HIV is the extensive
genetic variation that the virus has within individual
hosts, particularly in the hypervariable regions of the env
gene29; this variation makes HIV one of the fastest evolving
of all organisms. Such rapid evolution is the result of
an explosive combination of factors. First, the virus
experiences a high rate of mutation,with reverse transcriptase
making ~0.2 errors per genome during each
replication cycle30, and further errors occurring during
transcription from DNA by RNA Pol II polymerase.
Second, HIV has remarkable replicatory dynamics: it
has a viral generation time of ~2.5 days and produces
~1010–1012 new VIRIONS each day31. Finally, frequent
recombination and natural selection further elevate its
rate of evolutionary change |
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Post by Amaranth on Sept 25, 2009 15:20:37 GMT -5
How long before some douchebag says that vaccinating against HIV will only promote deviant sexual behavior? Anyway, yay science! Mr. Turquoise About fifteen years ago. I caught a couple stories about what would later be considered failed attempts at the same, and the moral fucktards were whining about the then-hypothetical "cure" promoting loose women and gay sex. |
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