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Post by MaybeNever on Aug 2, 2009 0:30:26 GMT -5
And no, I wouldn't want them anywhere near Finland Scandinavia Europe, so you can keep them Oh, sure, just make us have to remain the looney bin. Thanks a lot.
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Post by schizophonic on Aug 2, 2009 0:44:01 GMT -5
You need an imposter. Someone who will gladly be a religious zealot, but is only playing. If I were Norwegian, I would totally be onboard.
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Post by maanantai on Aug 2, 2009 8:19:42 GMT -5
And no, I wouldn't want them anywhere near Finland Scandinavia Europe, so you can keep them No, No, really you can have them. truly I don't want them anywhere near Finland Scandinavia Europe the western hemisphere, Earth either So we can only hope that WBC decides that their god hates Moon, Mars or maybe even Pluto. Yes. Pluto it must be since it lost its status as a planet and all... must be sign from their god that he is dissaproving Pluto and everything. Then we just must wait for them to try and go protesting there too. Oh, sure, just make us have to remain the looney bin. Thanks a lot. We do have our own part of fundies here, too, and there is only certain amount of stupid that small countries can really take. And yes, I'll rather wait for lutheran church to destroy itself (and cause separation of chrurch and state that way) than have more fundies here to speed things up.
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Post by Jedi Knight on Aug 2, 2009 9:11:59 GMT -5
We do have our own part of fundies here, too, and there is only certain amount of stupid that small countries can really take. And yes, I'll rather wait for lutheran church to destroy itself (and cause separation of chrurch and state that way) than have more fundies here to speed things up. Yes, we do have fundies within the church. Thing is, the more radical elements within the church tend to balance them out. I find it strange that the church can handle differences that would cause a schism in almost any other church. I guess it is connected to the fact that it is a state church. The government has a measure of political control over the church. In the last instance, the church's bishops are employed by the government. For the most of the last century, Norway has had Social Democratic governments, leading the church in a radical direction. I find this control unfair to both the church and the citizens of Norway. I am quite sure the church would go in a direction of conservative theology if it were left to itself. I am also sure that would totally alienate those who are more passive members of the church and force them to have an actual opinion on faith and church.
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Post by maanantai on Aug 2, 2009 9:43:42 GMT -5
We do have our own part of fundies here, too, and there is only certain amount of stupid that small countries can really take. And yes, I'll rather wait for lutheran church to destroy itself (and cause separation of chrurch and state that way) than have more fundies here to speed things up. Yes, we do have fundies within the church. Thing is, the more radical elements within the church tend to balance them out. I find it strange that the church can handle differences that would cause a schism in almost any other church. I guess it is connected to the fact that it is a state church. The government has a measure of political control over the church. In the last instance, the church's bishops are employed by the government. For the most of the last century, Norway has had Social Democratic governments, leading the church in a radical direction. I find this control unfair to both the church and the citizens of Norway. I am quite sure the church would go in a direction of conservative theology if it were left to itself. I am also sure that would totally alienate those who are more passive members of the church and force them to have an actual opinion on faith and church. Yep, making passive members to think and make decition is the hardest part but here we have the church to help with it too as it makes both conservative christians and liberal ones to quit (female pastors in eighties was a good start, and now we had this thing about some pastors giving blessings to gay couples who have registerated their relationship/church not allowing+being against gay marriages and then there is of course Marja-Sisko and her status driving fundies off since she's first transgender pastor and so on... oh, and as a good bonus church as these campaings for people why they should be member even if they don't believe which are better than freethinkers campaings ever ;D ) Bigger churches have more to say to the ways that things get done, so one big, even church that is divided from the inside is better than two, three smaller ones. Maybe the thing of church not falling apart is also about money? There usually can't be too many state churches and besides from getting funds from state based on member account (which are given, unless I'm mistaken, to all registerated religious groups?), ours (lutherans + eastern orthodoxes) have this handy way of collecting money from members as a "church tax" (0,5% - 2% depending on where you live) which is collected with normal income taxes and taken out of your salary/pension/unemployment+other supports and so some people don't even think of it/notice it. [/rant]
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Post by Haseen on Aug 2, 2009 15:20:41 GMT -5
Don't vote for a fundie. Nothing good can possibly come of it. Look at what happened with Bush in the US...
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Post by Jedi Knight on Aug 2, 2009 17:48:27 GMT -5
Don't vote for a fundie. Nothing good can possibly come of it. Look at what happened with Bush in the US... I see what you mean. The other option would be to find a candidate as liberal as possible, one who supports gay priests and such. You have to remember, my only reason for voting is the possibility to cause a schism within the church. @ maanantai: We don't have a church tax like that in Norway. It all goes through the national budget. All life stance societies are treated as equal, and get financial support directly from the government. Still, they are not de facto equal as long as we have an official religion.
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