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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 3, 2009 9:26:05 GMT -5
@keresm: Some of your comments were way out of line. Raging at me with a new random issue every third post is not going to change that. Go ask another mod if you don't get it, I'm sure they'd be happy to explain it to you.
erictheblue: thank you, and obviously I'm not doing a good enough job explaining what you just said. It is getting repetitive, but I'm just trying to say that I don't take it personal, I don't think any differently about Lithp, and I think it's kind of pointless to keep going. He's not going to get a full "confession" out of me, which is what it feels like he's angling for, although I'm sure, Lithp, you would be just as confused if I expected that out of you. We're just sort of at the point where it's going to stay frustrating for everybody if we keep at it.
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Post by Aqualung on Aug 3, 2009 9:28:23 GMT -5
Meh. You can sound not-angry but still be an asshole. Just sayin'.
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Post by Sandafluffoid on Aug 3, 2009 10:08:26 GMT -5
Meh. You can sound not-angry but still be an asshole. Just sayin'. Oh come on Aqua, seriously. I don't understand why you've labelled DV you Arch Nemesis TM, but all I'm seeing from your end is a mess of seething rage. It's obvious that you have a problem with DV, but when you have a problem you should try and solve it, all you're doing is getting angry and hoping you can shout the problem into submission. It's not going to work and if you keep making comments like this things are only going to get worse. I'm sure neither you nor DV actually enjoys this inexplicable rivalry you're so determined to provoke, maybe you could try discussing it, rather than just yeling at each other? @keresm, I agree with DV here, you're definitely getting out of line. It's got to the point that you're starting to look like you don't actually legitimately feel you were wronged, and you just want to try and insult and humiliate DV because she rubbed you the wrong way. Lithp, maybe it's just my old memory, I'm not a particularly observant person but I can't remember seeing any sets of quotes that clearly show obvious hypocrisy on the part of DV, if you can just give some solid, inescapable examples of what you're talking about, rather than haranguing DV for ignoring you. DV, I know what you mean, the whole thing is in danger of becoming frustrating for all involved, but what you're doing is only making it worse. It's what I was trying to convey before, at least from where I'm standing it looks as though you're trying to end the discussion because you've said everything you have to say and don't see it as worth pursuing anymore. I know that you're only trying to stop this from escalating, but don't you see that this kind of behaviour is what is causing these problems in the first place? It's all fine and well saying that you don't think of Lithp differently and you aren't taking it personally, but you can't declare the conversation over until Lithp is equally happy with having made all his points. You're a reasonable person, I'm sure if Lithp can get quotes that show irrefutable hypocrisy, you can admit that you were wrong, and I'm sure that if Lithp can't get that evidence then he can admit that he was wrong. Right, who else have I got left to do?
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 3, 2009 10:27:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's "in danger of", I believe it already is frustrating. And yes, I completely agree with you that not quoting and detailing a huge response to Lithp's posts is probably frustrating to him -- but what would you recommend its place? I mean, his first post is all about how I'm like Redhunter. No amount of examples is going to convince me of that. He thinks I "got impatient and started flinging out shit." I disagree with that too. What looks like shit flinging to him is obviously different from what it looks like to me. I'm not sure how to bridge that gap either. Besides, when I did apologize outright for my wording because I didn't want him to think I was calling him childish, he basically just said "Bullshit, I don't accept." Once I read that, that's why I don't believe hashing this out would make a difference. If I can say honestly and quickly "I'm sorry" about something, and he won't take it, what really is there left to do, but leave him to his own opinion? (Not trying to drag things out with you, btw, just answering.)
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Post by Aqualung on Aug 3, 2009 10:35:14 GMT -5
Meh. You can sound not-angry but still be an asshole. Just sayin'. Oh come on Aqua, seriously. I don't understand why you've labelled DV you Arch Nemesis TM, but all I'm seeing from your end is a mess of seething rage. It's obvious that you have a problem with DV, but when you have a problem you should try and solve it, all you're doing is getting angry and hoping you can shout the problem into submission. It's not going to work and if you keep making comments like this things are only going to get worse. Why? Because I felt she was being disrespectful to me, which I said, and rather than apologizing she just said "no I didn't, I'm just right!" Not ver batim, but that's basically how it goes. Also, those stupid random smileys. WTF is that about DV?
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 3, 2009 10:38:27 GMT -5
I use emoticons. A lot of people do. It's not unique to me. But I guess it's another little thing for you to try and pick at.
Sanda is right: I have no desire to have a "rivalry" with you, and I have no idea why you've chosen to make me your Arch Nemesis on this board. But I do know that I don't give two shits what you think about me. I stopped caring about that pretty soon after you made it part of your side missions to jump on me when you got the chance. So, if you want to try to make fun of the use of emoticons, by all means, knock yourself out. I don't give a flying fuck what you do.
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Post by Angel Kaida on Aug 3, 2009 10:46:01 GMT -5
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Post by lumberjackninja on Aug 3, 2009 11:26:40 GMT -5
Right, who else have I got left to do? I'm actually kind of interested to see what you think of me, actually. Let me don my asbestos suit.
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Post by keresm on Aug 3, 2009 16:22:49 GMT -5
@keresm: Some of your comments were way out of line. I want you to substantiate your claim that I called someone on these boards a sick fuck, or withdraw the claim. Since after several posts, you cannot substantiate this claim, I'd say the matter is settled and you were just 'warning' out of your ass.
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Post by keresm on Aug 3, 2009 16:27:12 GMT -5
@keresm, I agree with DV here, you're definitely getting out of line. It's got to the point that you're starting to look like you don't actually legitimately feel you were wronged, and you just want to try and insult and humiliate DV because she rubbed you the wrong way. Dante disagreed with me and so tried to put on her mod hat to call me down. The consequence of this is she got made to look like an idiot and a hypocrite. That's life. It goes on. Next time, perhaps she shouldn't get all pissy and defensive (heh) about other people not reading her posts when it's clear she didn't bother to read other people's posts. Perhaps also she won't get into a long-drawn out semantics argument after making it clear she doesn't understand a simple if-then statement. In short, maybe next time she'll pull her head out of her ass before putting on her mod hat.
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Post by Angel Kaida on Aug 3, 2009 16:46:06 GMT -5
@keresm, I agree with DV here, you're definitely getting out of line. It's got to the point that you're starting to look like you don't actually legitimately feel you were wronged, and you just want to try and insult and humiliate DV because she rubbed you the wrong way. Dante disagreed with me and so tried to put on her mod hat to call me down. The consequence of this is she got made to look like an idiot and a hypocrite. That's life. It goes on. Next time, perhaps she shouldn't get all pissy and defensive (heh) about other people not reading her posts when it's clear she didn't bother to read other people's posts. Perhaps also she won't get into a long-drawn out semantics argument after making it clear she doesn't understand a simple if-then statement. In short, maybe next time she'll pull her head out of her ass before putting on her mod hat. What the hell, keresm? DV wasn't disagreeing with you in that thread, as far as I could tell. (Maybe I just skimmed a couple of important comments?) For what it's worth, I thought a few of your comments were inappropriate too (calling someone a twat comes to mind), but figured it was a mod's job to take care of it. And while I happen to agree with your opinion about hypothetical people who don't think you have the right to use lethal force when rape is the alternative, your comments were over the top and seemed meant to stifle debate rather than to argue for your side. Frankly, seeing you throw this kind of a fit over being warned about your inappropriate remarks has lowered my opinion of you as a poster here.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 3, 2009 19:31:10 GMT -5
keresm, making up stuff and declaring yourself "teh winnah" does not a winner make.
You need to understand something loud and clear. I was the one who warned you informally. But mod consensus is 100% behind the warning. You may not like me, but that's not what's important to you here. You need to pay attention to how you're posting on the boards, because you're a thin sliver away from a formal warning. Frankly, we don't have to informally warn. That's my courtesy to you because it was my choice. But make no mistake -- this isn't me acting alone.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 3, 2009 20:33:40 GMT -5
This. Even if I disagree with everything else Kersem says--& I happen to disagree with the vast majority of it--this seems to be one thing Dante is completely incapable of doing.
Oh, balls. The only reason she has any patience now is because she exploded the last time. And there's only so many times I can point this out, but there is no "argument." I point shit she does out, she ignores it. It's fucking ridiculous. This isn't an opinion situation, SHE DID THESE THINGS. She cannot "disagree," unless she is lying to herself & everyone else around her.
Let's put this in perspective, Eric: Let's say I claim you're absolutely right about Dante, but not about me. You then point out a bunch of quotes where I said basically the same thing. Then, I say, "Well, that doesn't count because I meant it this way," that would be hypocrisy. And if I started in with this "we have a different opinion" nonsense, it would STILL be hypocrisy that I'm refusing to own up to.
That is exactly what is going on right now.
The fact is that so long as Dante continues to pull this shit, I will continue to call her on it. This "perception" bullshit is about the worst excuse I have ever heard.
You made that "you're just trying to twist out of what you said by saying you mean something else" line. So did Redhunter.
And, need I remind everyone here that she then tried to claim that she "didn't mean" to call me a child?
Hmm. If I say, "I didn't mean it that way," I'm trying to twist out of what I said. When she says she "didn't mean it that way," I'm just supposed to take that at face value. If that is not an inescapable example of hypocrisy, I do not know what is.
But back to the Redhunter issue, my first post is not "all about that." The similarities in your tactics are stunning, but it's not what I'm out to flame you for not admitting.
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Post by dantesvirgil on Aug 3, 2009 20:37:19 GMT -5
Look, I apologized outright for that. It was not worded correctly, and I've said that several times. You're choosing not to accept the apology, and you're choosing to read a meaning into it that I've stated over and over again wasn't my intention. This is why I've told people it's pointless to try to go on with you about this. Even when I say I'm sorry, you don't accept it -- so what's the point? Why would you accept me "admitting" to instances of hypocrisy (and I agree with Sanda, it's a good idea to quote them directly so I know what the fuck you're talking about), if you won't accept when I apologize outright? Pointless.
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Post by Admiral Lithp on Aug 3, 2009 20:47:01 GMT -5
Dante, it doesn't matter whether I believe you meant it that way or not. The fact is that if it were me, you wouldn't have accepted it, as per your earlier remark. That's what I was driving at.
To put it into perspective, let's say someone just walks up & slaps you. They then apologize for the annoying noise their sneakers made while they were walking up. Your likely reaction is to go, "WTF? Who gives a shit about your sneakers, you just struck me!" and they're like, "Well fine, don't accept your apology!"
Bad analogies aside, I think you see my point: You're apologizing for a complete non-issue, while still denying the main problem.
Now, since you asked, I will go back to that topic & directly quote what you said.
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